Neutuplets And Off Beat Rythms......

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Neutuplets And Off Beat Rythms......

#1 Post by moto_psycho » Sun Feb 06, 2005 10:50 pm

Are neutuplets (i think thats how its spelt) just the same as writing 3 triplets in a row? I mean would playing 3 triplets be played at the same speed?

Also I sometimes see 3 notes and a 5 or 7 written above them, why is this? thanks

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Re: Neutuplets And Off Beat Rythms......

#2 Post by brainpolice » Sun Feb 06, 2005 11:46 pm

"Are neutuplets (i think thats how its spelt) just the same as writing 3 triplets in a row? I mean would playing 3 triplets be played at the same speed?"
Neutuplets are 9's. I guess you could feel them as 3 triplets, that makes sense, but collectively it's 9. It means a group of 9.
"Also I sometimes see 3 notes and a 5 or 7 written above them, why is this? thanks"
If it has a number, a :, then another number, it means it's the first number beats played in the 2nd number's time. So 3 notes with a bracket of 5:3 would mean 3 notes in the space of 5. Etc.

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#3 Post by moto_psycho » Mon Feb 07, 2005 12:48 am

Yeah i get what your saying, but this tab had only 3 16th notes and the 5 was above it but there was no extra number to indicate the beats.

Also iv seen in a tab instead of putting neutuplets like i think they should have, they put a 3 at the top instead, but then on a measure late on they use the 9, any ideas on that? (tell me if i did n't explain that clearly enough)

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Re: Neutuplets And Off Beat Rythms......

#4 Post by FINGERS76 » Mon Feb 07, 2005 11:23 am

moto_psycho wrote:Are neutuplets (i think thats how its spelt) just the same as writing 3 triplets in a row? I mean would playing 3 triplets be played at the same speed?

Also I sometimes see 3 notes and a 5 or 7 written above them, why is this? thanks
No. It would be 9 notes in the space of 2. A triplet is 3 notes in the space of 2.

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#5 Post by moto_psycho » Mon Feb 07, 2005 3:24 pm

moto_psycho wrote:Yeah i get what your saying, but this tab had only 3 16th notes and the 5 was above it but there was no extra number to indicate the beats.

Also iv seen in a tab instead of putting neutuplets like i think they should have, they put a 3 at the top instead, but then on a measure late on they use the 9, any ideas on that? (tell me if i did n't explain that clearly enough)
The first question of this i actually saw on Vai's tempo mental lesson.

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#6 Post by jmchambers5 » Mon Feb 07, 2005 3:46 pm

moto_psycho wrote:Yeah i get what your saying, but this tab had only 3 16th notes and the 5 was above it but there was no extra number to indicate the beats.

Also iv seen in a tab instead of putting neutuplets like i think they should have, they put a 3 at the top instead, but then on a measure late on they use the 9, any ideas on that? (tell me if i did n't explain that clearly enough)
stop reading tabs?

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#7 Post by brainpolice » Mon Feb 07, 2005 7:32 pm

True. Tab doesn't do a good job (or any job at all) of giving you the rythm of the music.

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#8 Post by Bakerman » Mon Feb 07, 2005 7:49 pm

rhythm

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#9 Post by brainpolice » Mon Feb 07, 2005 7:50 pm

Sorry for making a typo, jeez :)

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#10 Post by moto_psycho » Mon Feb 07, 2005 11:32 pm

This is what im talking about:

e|--1-1-1-1-1-1--|
|------3------|

Thats over all 6 notes, so are you allowed to have this? or is it suppose to be written as a sextuplet.

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#11 Post by Ricardo » Tue Feb 08, 2005 12:30 pm

They are just saying you double up on the triplet like 1&2&3&, verses, 123,456. You can feel sub pulses in the 6 note group different ways, the big 3 just specifies that. Like doing 6's in 12/8 can feel different than 6's in 4/4, even though the speed of the notes may be the same.

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#12 Post by dzdncnfsd » Tue Feb 08, 2005 2:47 pm

Im using Powertab to try and get a hold of what odd groupings sound like, so how would you notate 5 and 7 notes per beat?

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#13 Post by brainpolice » Tue Feb 08, 2005 5:25 pm

5 and 7
Or 5:1 and 7:1
In powertab, put 5 or 7 notes in and highlight them, then go to the bottom area and click on the little icon next to the triplet icon that says [9:6], and you can customize it there. One number is the amount of notes, the other number is the amount of beats/notes it fits over. X notes in the time of X notes. This feature is half the reason I like powertab; although it could do a better job on the notation side of things.

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#14 Post by moto_psycho » Tue Feb 08, 2005 6:13 pm

Ricardo wrote:They are just saying you double up on the triplet like 1&2&3&, verses, 123,456. You can feel sub pulses in the 6 note group different ways, the big 3 just specifies that. Like doing 6's in 12/8 can feel different than 6's in 4/4, even though the speed of the notes may be the same.

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How can they be at the same speed and FEEL different? I guess my question is what do you by them feeling different.

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#15 Post by brainpolice » Tue Feb 08, 2005 7:15 pm

"How can they be at the same speed and FEEL different? "
Because the pulse is different. And the meter is different. They are percieved as different durations.

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