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stuck in a big rut

Posted: Sat May 17, 2008 5:41 am
by SammyH
hi everyone

ive been playing guitar for around 9 months now, recently over the last 2 weeks or so our found my self stuck in a serious rut which i just cant get out of

basicly i cant understand how modes work or how i can apply them, also i have a hard to learning to play a full song so i anyone can give any advice on how to tackle this would be great. my practice sessions basicly are centred on technique and scales and chords and usally last around 6 hours a day.

so in summery i need
- help with modes and understanding them
- songs that can help improve me as a musician
- any general advice on how i can progress

thanks in advance

Posted: Sat May 17, 2008 7:44 am
by Desert_Runner
You spend 6 hours a day playing chords and scales and practising techniques? No offence, but there's far better things to do for 6 hours a day than sitting down and playing scales. When you say its hard to play a full song what do you mean by that? If you're trying to play a Vai song or something similar, then don't expect to be able to play it if you've only been playing 9 months.

If you want to progress, don't practise chords, scales and techniques for 6 hours a day. That's just mental. Let your own inspiration guide you, and have fun playing. You shouldn't play if it feels forced.

Are you self taught? Because no guitarist I know would advise you to practise chords, scales and techniques for that long. I mean, if you have enough inspiration to 6 hours, then fine, but your days must be so boring if this is the way you practise.

Posted: Sat May 17, 2008 8:20 am
by SammyH
well allways try to mix it up by learning new riffs and stuff and usally do the sections out of "guitar techniques" to improve my playing in that area of study

by failing to learn songs i mean that i literaly fail to learn the whole piece of music itself

Posted: Sat May 17, 2008 9:01 am
by Desert_Runner
What kind of pieces of music do you try to play?

Posted: Sat May 17, 2008 9:33 am
by SammyH
a list of the stuff i usally try to play

- guns and roses
- joe satriani
- metallica
- u2, R.E.M
- pop rock, pop punk type of stuff

Posted: Sat May 17, 2008 1:33 pm
by prman
Get guitar lessons!

You don`t have to get them for 5 years, just go see some decent guitar instructor for a couple of months and you will get some good material to practice. And more so, you`ll get out of the rut and have some new ideas.

Posted: Mon May 26, 2008 5:19 pm
by sidedoor charlie
when i started playing it was ac/dc and kiss songs.

great for changing chords in time.i suggest starting there.

or if you're into pop/punk,blink 182 and stuff like that should be easy to play.but,yes find a teacher.pay the money.its worth it.

but there will always be ruts that you fall in.so don't get discouraged.

good luck

Posted: Mon May 26, 2008 11:11 pm
by Mr Clark
SammyH wrote:a list of the stuff i usally try to play

- guns and roses
- joe satriani
- metallica
i don't know what your level is, seeing you practice so much, but i can assure you that playing a whole song by one of these guys is beyond you, with few exceptions, try some rage against the machine for instance :D

Inspiration

Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2008 3:34 am
by gretsch.guitar.girl
Other than guitar lessons and further knowledge, it really helps to just get generally excited by some new music or by a specific guitar player.

Go watch some concerts, live, DVD or even youtube. Try to find things that get you excited about playing. Sometimes hearing someone you really want to play like, gives a huge push of motivation and gives you a clear direction about what you would like to learn to do next on guitar.

With 9 months of playing you still have the world to discover.

Good luck!

Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2008 4:39 am
by Big Bad Bill
I would really recommend you get yourself a good guitar teacher and take regular lessons. Audition a few of them to see which you like best and feel most comfortable with. Your playing will come on leaps and bounds-its exactly what I did and it worked. But even then I still get stuck in a rut despite my tutors best efforts to release me from them. Now, I just accept the ruts because I know they will disappear in a couple of weeks and don't worry about them (worry about ruts makes them worse, I think).

Posted: Fri Jun 13, 2008 3:09 am
by boswell
Lessons with a good tutor, inform him/her what your stuck with and go from there with some structured lessons to achieve each goal, don't set targets too high to avoid disappointment and not so low that boredom sets in.
My rut until recently was learning theory, scales, family of chords etc. but left feeling I still didn't know how to apply them so me my tutor have set out to write and record a guitar instrumental applying stuff I already know along with incorporating "mini lessons" on areas I've little or no knowledge.

Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 9:13 am
by Mr. Supertron
You can play for 6 hours a day but all hardcore practice will wear you out. I suggest practice for maybe half of it (assuming you want to play for 6 hours still). Play some songs later on for some fun and get moving around and then maybe later one just mess around, come up with something that sounds coll and jam. That whats inspires me to play. I aspire to write songs. Sometimes when inspiration is low just put it down for a while, kill time on the net, eat something, listen to music. Also always find songs that are new to you. When you find that song you really are in love with it will inspire you to play to.
Just always find new things to play and expand on. That should cut down on the ruts.

Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 10:49 pm
by Ultraviolet
Play without shape, listen with clear ears,
continue without fail FLOW INTENSELY

be yourself
the MOST you.

I am self taught,...17 years playing now
I have my own tuning for MY music,
(no it's not drop d either) ;)

early on, I was making constructive "noise" for about 8 mos or so,...then one day,...some big huge guy named Tony Ventresca was walking out of the woods at summer camp with his friends doin up a spinach stick,...and I was playing guitar in the "tallent show" at age 11 in summer camp,..and he walked up and said to me" whoa a Guitar, may i try it?" i said "Sure!" and lemme tell you,...He ripped up Iron Man so hard,...adding his own riffs to the melody,..the control!!! the precision!! he was like Darrell,..and from that moment on,..it made me want to play better,..to be like Tony, and to amaze myself with how good a Guitar can sound. That was my Inspirational turning point in my life for the giddy.

You need INSPIRATION is the bottom line dude
where you get it,..I can not say where
When you will get it,...I cannot speak of either
Pray to your higher power, and put it up to the Universe
because what you seek will seek you,..if you give the problem to the Universe with all of your HEART,..and conciously let go of your dilemma,....Inspiration will find it's way to you when the time is right. you must have FAITH.


ruts come and go,..some stay a while longer than yours,...others go in a couple of days,..
Patience, but let your Heart remain dedicated to the task,...just put it out of your mind.


Sincerely,
Ultra :)

Re: stuck in a big rut

Posted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 4:51 am
by honeybadger
SammyH wrote:hi everyone

ive been playing guitar for around 9 months now, recently over the last 2 weeks or so our found my self stuck in a serious rut which i just cant get out of

basicly i cant understand how modes work or how i can apply them, also i have a hard to learning to play a full song so i anyone can give any advice on how to tackle this would be great. my practice sessions basicly are centred on technique and scales and chords and usally last around 6 hours a day.

so in summery i need
- help with modes and understanding them
- songs that can help improve me as a musician
- any general advice on how i can progress

thanks in advance

Hey :D
Just looking through threads similar to this as I too am in the same boat.
All the advice was great but did it help any Sammy?How are you getting on now? any clearer?

I too am looking for a good tutor atm as I have been away for a while(and NO Bill not jail) :D

So, that in mind maybe somebody could drop me a mail if there are any tutors here in my area with the time? I am in the UK Manchester area??Sure tis a long shot but its a start :)
Peace
Honeybadger :)

Re: stuck in a big rut

Posted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 7:21 am
by Big Bad Bill
honeybadger wrote:So, that in mind maybe somebody could drop me a mail if there are any tutors here in my area with the time? I am in the UK Manchester area??Sure tis a long shot but its a start :)
Peace
Honeybadger :)
There was a great tutor in Manchester (24 Central Road, Didsbury) quite a long time ago called Andy Reynolds, Honeybadger. It was at the height of neoclassical guitar era, so I'm talking about some time ago and he was just brilliant tutor, having a degree in guitar music theory etc etc he could explain everything lucidly and demonstrate it too. He came complete with frilly Laurence Llwellyn-Bowen shirts and boots too! However, I have no idea where he is now. Perhaps you could do a Google or MySpace search? He hand a band called, 'The Craft' if that helps.