We sure have drifted a long way from the topic - an innocent question about a music theory book. So maybe the topic of I.X. (etc) deserves its own thread, because now some very interesting questions raise themselves.guitarmanK1982 wrote:Xenakis had a few approaches to this kind of composition. But it has advanced a lot since the music you heard on youtube. Now, full digital samples of all orchestral instruments are used (i spent some time at CCMIX, and developed some of the technology) - so finally, freedom from the limitations of pitched notation has been solved, and can be heard in an orchestral context.
So this type of composition arose as a transcendence of the limitations of notated music (rather than as a way to avoid notation) - and to see such limitaions requires a complete understanding of notated music; Xenakis' contributions cannot be underestimated, and they can be seen as pivotal to the development of all electronic/synthesised music since.
budt - i suppose your question is relevant, if the music in question is meant to be challenging or cutting-edge with regards to musicality. But that is my point - it isn't. And hopefully this example (one of very many that could be cited) shows this; not as a way of insulting another musician - but as a way of showing that what may be considered 'originality' isn't actually original.
Unfortunately many Vai fans consider his music as cutting-edge in every respect - the point is that it isn't cutting edge in every respect.
However, technically, Vai is a master, and he has certainly pushed boundaries in this respect - of this there is no doubt. But imagine the result if he combined his technique with original and inventive musical ideas!!
First, congrats on telling us about someone we never heard of! Vai fans are more open minded than you might think. Iannis Xenakis had quite a life! => http://www.iannis-xenakis.org/english/index.html
I'm wondering if John Lennon (or Yoko) knew about him. The "number nine" spoken throughout Revolution 9 could be a reference to "I.X." - Iannis' initials. I always thought Revolution 9 was inspired by Poème Électronique by Varèse (among other things). Maybe they heard Iannis Xenakis as well.
But now, I gotsta know ...
What did the folks over at CCMIX think of the Synclavier? It was supposed to have the same attributes you attribute to the UPIC system.
How does the Synclavier compare to the UPIC system developed there?
What did they think of Zappa's work with the Synclavier? They must have been aware of it ...
(Jazz From Hell and Civilization Phase III, in particular)
Thay must have had some opinions of Boulez' work (IRCAM)?
I still think you are being too critical of Steve Vai. I doubt you have the time to post on various message boards, and yet, you are here. There must be something unique about Steve that brings you here. My own take on Steve is that first of all, he is a real artist within the rock music world, and he is stretching out. But the unique part is that there is just something intangible about this whole rock guitar thing, and it is integral to Steve's vision.
CCMIX => http://www.moderecords.com/catalog/098_9ccmix.html
IRCAM => http://www.ircam.fr/institut.html?&L=1
Synclavier I thought they went out of business, but => http://www.synclavier.com/