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song structure help

#1 Post by JinJo » Wed Aug 17, 2005 7:32 am

Hi all.
I'm lookin for some help with structuring/arranging my songs.

I have wrote quite a few songs now for an album i'm doing (mostly just lyrics the now) and have noticed a lot following the same pattern.

first one goes:
verse verse chorus verse chorus solo chorus

2nd so far is just
verse chorus verse chorus (only lyrics done)

another one goes
verse bridge chorus verse bridge chorus

the next track has the same formula.

I think this is getting a bit boring, any ideas of how to make this more interesting when it comes to adding music or just any help on song structures? ive seen things like AABA written when looking at this subject but don't understand it.

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#2 Post by b2 » Wed Aug 17, 2005 9:37 am

There are for shure some books about song writing and structure
but I have never found a good one. You dont have to take this
so fare, just study some of your favourites and analyze the songs just
as you wrote. Also search the Internet.

Analyze some songs from Steve Vai, Pink Floyd, Dream Theater etc
Maybe also from classic music, country, blues etc

Some music styles have simple song structure, e.g blues.
So study different music styles will also learn you different song structures.

A - could be "vers"
B - could be "chorus"
C - could be "bridge"

So you get song structures like:
AABABCBB etc...
In some TAB books you can see songs divided into parts like this.

When reading charts you will see songs divided into parts by
using ABC etc and/or markings like Coda, D.C. al Coda etc
This will help you to understand and remember the song structure.
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Re: song structure help

#3 Post by Real_Confusions » Wed Aug 17, 2005 9:41 am

JinJo wrote:Hi all.
I'm lookin for some help with structuring/arranging my songs.

I have wrote quite a few songs now for an album i'm doing (mostly just lyrics the now) and have noticed a lot following the same pattern.

first one goes:
verse verse chorus verse chorus solo chorus

2nd so far is just
verse chorus verse chorus (only lyrics done)

another one goes
verse bridge chorus verse bridge chorus

the next track has the same formula.

I think this is getting a bit boring, any ideas of how to make this more interesting when it comes to adding music or just any help on song structures? ive seen things like AABA written when looking at this subject but don't understand it.
"AABA" seems to me like it just means use the structure "Verse, Verse, Chorus, Verse." Your first song seems to follow this form fairly close.

Don't worry about writing the same structure over and over again, AC/DC has been doing it for thirty years! :P

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#4 Post by jmchambers5 » Wed Aug 17, 2005 10:36 am

It's not normally a good thing to put two verses next to each other, it just sounds like one really long verse. A pretty standard way to do it now is
Intro/Verse/Chorus/Verse/Chorus/Bridge/Chorus

The bridge can contain a guitar solo or whatever, and you can put little interludes and stuff in between. That's a great place to start, but as you know, It's music, so be creative.
J

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