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Jeroen
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GuitarMaster wrote:More insults and dodging.
Let me ask you two muppets the question a different way.
QED.
You don't consider 'muppet' an insult? It's not nice, anyway. Were did we insult you?
You both claim to be so all knowing that you know that musicians have a certain amount of money they SHOULD (that's both of yours words) get paid a certain amount of money.
Wrong. Please show us were that exact claim was made.
Let me ask you two gods of the world and music business.
If an artist makes an album, and the album sales - after taxes - is one million dollars.....
...tell us all how much the universal laws say the artist should get?
Huh? give us the magic percentage of the money that a musician should get.
Once again, you're turning your back to the subject at hand. Evidence is provided on the claims made by us. All other subjects brought on by you will be happely ignored.

We've got more posts of name-calling and imaginary E-mails and PMs....
Your welcome to have a look. Where can I forward the messages?
Come on J and D - tell us all what the percentage of money is that musicians SHOULD get. You both said there is some factual amount, so tell us. Now.......
Please provide the quote where I spoke on factual ammounts.

You can dream up whatever you want, turn around it however you like, my orriginal statement, supported with quotes from experts and evidence and pointers towards evidence by Dave still stand. And there is nothing you can do about that. All this other stuff you're trying to pull is a waste of your time.

"Artists and consumers are getting ripped of by the majority of companies. "
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holy banana's!!!

Did you read my disclaimer above that said what your response would be???

Wow, did I hit that on the head???? I kinda figured that would coax you into actually SAYING something, but....well, it didnt! :lol:

You forgot to tell me why my opinion my makes me a silly youngster who follows a popular belief!!!! :lol:
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davester1234 wrote:holy banana's!!!

Did you read my disclaimer above that said what your response would be???

Wow, did I hit that on the head???? I kinda figured that would coax you into actually SAYING something, but....well, it didnt! :lol:

You forgot to tell me why my opinion my makes me a silly youngster who follows a popular belief!!!! :lol:
What is silly is that you were trying to enforce your opinion as a fact, and tell other people that it was a fact and that anyone else is wrong. You and J both were enforcing it as a fact.

However, now that you've stepped up and understand it's not a fact but merely a shared opinion, you seem to need to insult again to save face.

You live and learn bud, that's life.
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You know, dave..

If all he tried to do was to show fact from opinion....

Then why did he say we were more like communists?

And this doesn't make any sense then either:
If someone is saying something I know from my own experience is totally false, I'll tell 'em they have no clue what they're talking about. I have the authority in my own experience to know when certain things are false.
I have the same relationship in the business as they do, and I am agreeing with them.
You seem to have missed the distinction. Yes, the musician gets a small % of the profit from an album.


Anyway, I clearly remember having had these type of discussions before on 'opinion' and facts... but man, I just can't remember where that was...

:wink:

Edit; added some stuff, it took a little while, the forum seems to be running out of fuel....
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GuitarMaster wrote:
What is silly is that you were trying to enforce your opinion as a fact, and tell other people that it was a fact and that anyone else is wrong. You and J both were enforcing it as a fact.
hmmm....I've re-read and I can't find an OPPOSING opinion to call wrong!!
GuitarMaster wrote: However, now that you've stepped up and understand it's not a fact but merely a shared opinion, you seem to need to insult again to save face.

You live and learn bud, that's life.
Again, I don't really understood how I've insulted you, other than to insist you stop calling people childish names. :)
It's almost like you not even reading people's posts! :)



Nevertheless, for the forum's sake and for the sanity of our moderaters and sanctity of this board, I will bow out, and give the victory to you, for proving [and I'm quoting prime minister of Canada Jean Chretien here] that a proof is a proof only if it is proven. :)
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And I thought it was plain logic that record companies like to scr@w people over who want to get famous... :? There's always an idiot who'll just take his 15 minutes and'll complain at the end...the most obvious reason why his voice will be heard is because he's still famous :lol:
Once you're product, you're history, I guess...but can you blame a man for getting and seizing the opportunity to be heard over the masses? That's a flaw in my reasoning I guess...because I really don't know what my answer would be at that moment. I see Guitarmaster's debating as a cry for attention in the same sense. If he's done enough making, recording, sharing and listening to music everyday, he can go here and share some thoughts with us. The appreciation part starts only after we've read them. But it wouldn't mind if the people that agree with him said something as well.
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Hi,

Please check the following website:

http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/

It is about logical fallacies. I used it when working for my academical debates rounds. Chech them out, I hope you will find them usefull.

Sincerely,
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With all the hoo-haa record companies are making over kids downloading crappy compressed MP3 files of their latest kiddie-porn epic,has anyone bothered to ask: who monitors the record companies? I personally feel ripped off by them as a consumer. Sure,I fell for their 'Perfect Sound Forever' crap in the eighties, and replaced my record collection ( which had been stolen anyway) with their shoddily remastered (get 'em out quick) reissues. Yeah, I bought all the Hendrix,Zappa,Little Feat,Tull,Crimson,Beck etc. All at $25 a pop,(we get ripped off here in Australia) Not to mention 'Import' pricing: 35 bucks for 'Bongo Fury' $46 for 'Uncle Meat', $32 for 'The Smoker You Drink'. Not that I didn't get much enjoyment from my purchases, but when I found out from an engineer friend that the record companies were pumping out these CD's for 80c each, it got me thinking. There must have been a lot of guys like me, happily blowing 5 or 10 grand on these shiny discs, just to hear their old faves in GLORIOUS digital. My question is; did all of these artists get proper payment for these sales? How much did Tull get? Lowell George's estate? Blind Willie McTell ? Who was keeping tabs on these sales? When I heard that Virgin had a pressing plant in the back of their Megastore it just made me more suspicious. I know that this thread is more to do with the plight of new artists, but I feel that older acts, that got shafted in the 60's & 70's, got done over yet again in the digital era,not to mention the consumers. I think there should be an international stocktake of all the CD's we have bought, the record companies can then compensate the artists. Then they can replace all our CD's with professionally remastered DVD-A versions.....as if!
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i'd actually be rather inclined to agree with Guitarmaster. i've got countless mp3s on my iPod and PC that i either downloaded for free or copied from my friends' CDs. likewise, they have plenty of my stuff on tapes, minidisc and mp3. i can see how, according to conventional morality and the law, this could be seen as "wrong."

as someone who likes to think of themselves as existentialist, i say "the hell with the law. gimme music!"

and as a broke student, i say "no way in hell am i paying £15 for a CD, that's my food for the week!"

i do buy CDs occasionally, because if the artist deserves your respect, and hasn't got a multi-zillion dollar record contract, they either deserve or need your support. i paid for my Devin Townsend albums. Metallica, i download just for the sheer pleasure of pissing Lars Ulrich off.

then again, buying the CD because you respect and admire the artist is still egoist... if nobody bought them, they wouldn't tour!
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where to find them ?
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