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is it possible to transpose a song from a major key into a minor key?
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Yes. How about parallel major and minor? If you're in A major, why not resolve the V chord to an A minor chord to modulate to A minor? The Dominant 7th chord could resolve to a major or minor chord. It's quite simple really. The paralell minor is the minor key based off the same root note as the major key you're in. It's a 3 note shift. 3 notes lower, the 3rd, 6th, and 7th. You could do it the other way around as well, modulating to the paralell major from the minor. A cool change of mood. Again it's a 3 note shift. 3 notes raise, the 3rd, 6th and 7th.
So for an example of changing to the paralell minor, lets make a sequence of chords starting in the key of A major: B minor 7, E 7b9, A major7, B minor 7b5, E 7b9, A minor7. So you've gone II V I in A major, then II V I in A minor. It really is just a matter of resolving the V7 (with a b9 to my taste) chord to a minor I chord instead of a major I chord.
So for an example of changing to the paralell minor, lets make a sequence of chords starting in the key of A major: B minor 7, E 7b9, A major7, B minor 7b5, E 7b9, A minor7. So you've gone II V I in A major, then II V I in A minor. It really is just a matter of resolving the V7 (with a b9 to my taste) chord to a minor I chord instead of a major I chord.

It all depends really, on whether or not you see the 'two' as seperate and different things and this would seem so if looked at in isolation.Balex the Shizzle wrote:is it possible to transpose a song from a major key into a minor key?
Other~wise absolutely anything is possible y'know!
One favourite is 'Hang Man' by Led Zep.
There are no limitations, unless you 'think' so, then I must agree with you!
NOT IN 2!
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Not to derail, but I have never heard of this song, and I have every offical Zep recording right here... do you mean Gallows Pole?NeeWhan wrote:One favourite is 'Hang Man' by Led Zep.
Does THAT song go from so~called one to the other as original thread?spcastlemagic wrote:Not to derail, but I have never heard of this song, and I have every offical Zep recording right here... do you mean Gallows Pole?NeeWhan wrote:One favourite is 'Hang Man' by Led Zep.
Maybe both!
spcastlemagic wrote:Not to derail, but I have never heard of this song, and I have every offical Zep recording right here... do you mean Gallows Pole?NeeWhan wrote:One favourite is 'Hang Man' by Led Zep.
yeah its gallows pole

could any one explain the changing of key or whatever into 15 year old self teaching type language??
Ok.....play A major scales over the A major chord then play Am scales over the F chord. ..........A Ionian to F Lydian........
To understand the sound of this, try these arpeggios.
A/9
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F/9
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-------------10-------------------------------6-------------------------
-------6--9------9--6------------------2--5----5--2---------------------
-----9------------------9-------------5---------------5-----------------
---7-----------------------7-------3---------------------3--------------
-5-----------------------------1----------------------------1-----------
To understand the sound of this, try these arpeggios.
A/9
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F/9
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||-1-|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
------------------------------------------------------------------------
-------------10-------------------------------6-------------------------
-------6--9------9--6------------------2--5----5--2---------------------
-----9------------------9-------------5---------------5-----------------
---7-----------------------7-------3---------------------3--------------
-5-----------------------------1----------------------------1-----------
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Hmm...to simplify the idea of a key change...
We have twelve notes available to us before we repeat in another octave, right? Well, seven of those notes, when grouped in a particular order sound good together, and the notes are determined by which note you start with. For example, the notes that make G major are: G A B C D E F#. G major has a certain familiar, upbeat "feel" to it. The key change discussed earlier would be to simply move to G *minor*. Those notes are G A Bb C D Eb F. The key of G minor is a dark, sad and somber sound, yet the starting note remains the same as G major. There are plenty of other ways to change keys, but that is a simplified example to help explain what you asked for.

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Yea. Basically it's the concept of parallel major and minor. Very easy to modulate to, all one has to do is resolve V to a minor I, and continue in the minor key 

Yes, I agree. Absolutely. From your perspective, yes, there is a restriction or adherence to a limited amount of 'seperate', different divisions. And these you have called/labelled 'notes'.phoenix2874 wrote:Hmm...to simplify the idea of a key change...We have twelve notes available to us before we repeat in another octave, right?
Wouldn't it be great to realise that the 'particianing' of a piece of 'twine' could be mathematically right, and at the same time questionable when 'agreed upon seperation' has no way of standing up against something a bit more UN~limited?
Limitation is simply that; something contained or restrictive.
UN~limitation 'includes' the limitation and is the openess or 'ground' for the 'divisional' to stamp its authority in.
Re~member you are un~limited. And in that un~bounded, un~bridled space, 'limitation' is not dissallowed.
And all of it happens in this.
Including the twelve/seven/five etc. etc. etc.