Engl screamer or Peavey 5150 ?

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#16 Post by Lo Lo » Tue Jan 29, 2008 10:57 am

Big Bad Bill wrote:
Lo Lo wrote:It comes with the Jekle and Hyde overdrive/distortion pedal.
Such a shame to corrupt an all valve signal path with horrid solid state pedals!
Do your research. Most PROs get their distortion from good pedals on top of their amps distortion than the amp alone. THAT IS A FACT MY FRIEND!!!

Even Steve and Joe use pedals on top of their amps to get that sound that you love so much. Steve even has a pedal coming out that's very simular to the Jekll and Hyde i.e. Jemini.

Most amps, even great tube amps just can't get that saturation than most hard rock and metal players try to achive. You can get a great basic distortion for rock or blues from many amps out there, but 80% of all the guitar heros use some sort of pedal to dial in their sound. Do you not agree?

And no, haha. I do not work for VisualSound. lol. I just really, really love my amp!

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#17 Post by DiMarzio » Tue Jan 29, 2008 10:59 am

I have never heard a pedal that sounds as decent as tube distortion..

Id say go with either the Screamer 50 or Fireball!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXSS2q_D4Tk

Check out the second amp of that video.. the first one is the Invader, and the second one is the Fireball!
It sounds pretty sweet! To my ears at least :P

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#18 Post by Lo Lo » Tue Jan 29, 2008 11:13 am

It's not the pedal alone with a tube amp. You use the pedal to really push the tubes into overdrive. the pedal just boosts and EQ's the signal from your guitars pickups before it gets to the tubes.

I agree that lots of great tube amps out there has great gain sounds alot. But why do all or most of the pros use some sort of distortion or boost pedal along with their amp? Joe, Stevi Vai, Hendrix, Vahn, Gilbert, Johnson, they all use solid state pedals, no?

http://youtube.com/watch?v=VXG99EGgqNY


By the way, I really do like the sound of the Fireball! :D

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#19 Post by bennyvx78 » Tue Jan 29, 2008 11:30 am

I still got me Peavey 5150 combo and still haven't put it away.
Im loving mine man.

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#20 Post by DiMarzio » Tue Jan 29, 2008 2:35 pm

Most people just use a dist/OD pedal in front of the amp to tighten up the signal and/or boost it a little bit for soloing and stuff

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#21 Post by bennyvx78 » Tue Jan 29, 2008 2:59 pm

or preamp pedals like the V-twin or the supercharger g.t.o :D.
There's so much you can add to an amp..But sometimes the best thing
in the world is just pluggin' in the amp and play..

( I'd like to hear those engl amps too, even mr Blackmore got
a signature amp ).

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#22 Post by ppvai » Thu Jan 31, 2008 11:51 pm

THanks for all the answers guys!
i think im geting the fireball,
i will wait more, but will worth.
or i can wait to steves 3 chanel amp :P

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#23 Post by DiMarzio » Fri Feb 01, 2008 10:28 am

Good pick man! :D

I dont think you will be dissapointed!

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#24 Post by ppvai » Sat Feb 02, 2008 12:01 am

thanks man :)
i hope to get it...

btw, i´ve been watching some vids
and saw that the peavey jsx has a good
sound! and has 3 chanels.

has someone hear it or play it?
just curious... :roll:

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#25 Post by ppvai » Sat Feb 02, 2008 2:38 pm

or a carvin v3... :roll:

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#26 Post by Lo Lo » Sat Feb 02, 2008 9:06 pm

Buying and trying out new amps is fun isn't it?

Take your time, try things out and enjoy yourself
only you can make the right choice for YOU!

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#27 Post by Guitarmiester » Sat Feb 02, 2008 10:16 pm

Lo Lo wrote: Do your research. Most PROs get their distortion from good pedals on top of their amps distortion than the amp alone. THAT IS A FACT MY FRIEND!!!
The majority of musicians that use an OD/distortion pedal with their tube amp use them as a boost, not as their main source of distortion. Like DiMarzio said, an OD in front of a tube amp can really tighten up your sound and/or smooth things out.
Lo Lo wrote:Most amps, even great tube amps just can't get that saturation than most hard rock and metal players try to achive.
Cranking a tube amp results in that power tube saturation that most guitarists enjoy the most. You don't need a pedal to get that. Even with a pedal in front of your amp, at low volume levels you're barely working the power tubes. You're just adding to the preamp distortion. OD pedals were created to reproduce the sound of an overdriven tube amp, though they work great for giving an amp that extra edge.

As for your:

Workhorse Pony> 1x12 30watt all tube combo $875
Workhorse Stallion> 2x12 60watt all tube combo $1275


That's totally subjective. I personally wouldn't take either of the Workhorse amps over what else is out there within the same price range. I'm not saying it's a bad amp or anything.
ppvai wrote:btw, i´ve been watching some vids
and saw that the peavey jsx has a good
sound! and has 3 chanels.

has someone hear it or play it?
just curious..
The JSX has a great clean channel. The Crunch channel is really nice as well. It can go from a light breakup, blues, Classic 50 crunch, smooth lead tone, and a decent metal tone. That's all in the Crunch channel alone. I wasn't too impressed with the Ultra channel no matter how I EQ'd it. It's too compressed and I couldn't stand the high end fizz. The Ultra channel has a bit of a fizzy high end as well, but it's tolerable. Give one a try if you can, be sure to crank it up. It's nothing special at bedroom levels, really comes alive once you crank it.

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#28 Post by Lo Lo » Sat Feb 02, 2008 11:41 pm

Well I think there's an amp for everybodys taste. The Workhorse fits my taste and needs exactly! It's a botique amp and I love it. I was searching for tone, not cost....I do understand that this is only MY opinion thou. I was just giving him another amp option to have fun with.

As far as the powertube thing......You may have a point with that. I think that most tube amps sound warmer with more saturation when cracked. But in most players situation how often can you really do that at home? I only get a chance to crank my amp from between 1pm til 4pm. That's when the neighbors get home from work! :D

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#29 Post by ppvai » Sun Feb 03, 2008 4:21 pm

Lo Lo wrote:Buying and trying out new amps is fun isn't it?

Take your time, try things out and enjoy yourself
only you can make the right choice for YOU!
the problem...
is that i live in mexico, and here music stores are crap!
just marshalls mg series, creates ss etc.
also the guitars! :?

so, its very difficult to go an try all the amps
in guitar center of texas, that is the most near.
so now im making my mind of comments and lots lots of videos
and info in pages of reviews etc.

belive me, if i were in the US this topic wouldn´t exist :(


so thats why i thank alot to all the guys that give me their opinnions
pros, cons etc.


thanx

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#30 Post by Lo Lo » Sun Feb 03, 2008 4:55 pm

I understand that it's a bit harder to do it that way. But when you do make up your mind you will save $$$ by buying direct from the factory.

Some company's like Carvin will send you a demo dvd to check out.

Good Luck.

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