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Major to Minor

Posted: Sun Jan 23, 2005 12:10 pm
by Balex the Shizzle
is it possible to transpose a song from a major key into a minor key?

Posted: Sun Jan 23, 2005 12:36 pm
by brainpolice
Yes. How about parallel major and minor? If you're in A major, why not resolve the V chord to an A minor chord to modulate to A minor? The Dominant 7th chord could resolve to a major or minor chord. It's quite simple really. The paralell minor is the minor key based off the same root note as the major key you're in. It's a 3 note shift. 3 notes lower, the 3rd, 6th, and 7th. You could do it the other way around as well, modulating to the paralell major from the minor. A cool change of mood. Again it's a 3 note shift. 3 notes raise, the 3rd, 6th and 7th.
So for an example of changing to the paralell minor, lets make a sequence of chords starting in the key of A major: B minor 7, E 7b9, A major7, B minor 7b5, E 7b9, A minor7. So you've gone II V I in A major, then II V I in A minor. It really is just a matter of resolving the V7 (with a b9 to my taste) chord to a minor I chord instead of a major I chord. :)

Re: Major to Minor

Posted: Mon Jan 24, 2005 12:27 pm
by NeeWhan
Balex the Shizzle wrote:is it possible to transpose a song from a major key into a minor key?
It all depends really, on whether or not you see the 'two' as seperate and different things and this would seem so if looked at in isolation.

Other~wise absolutely anything is possible y'know!

One favourite is 'Hang Man' by Led Zep.

There are no limitations, unless you 'think' so, then I must agree with you!

NOT IN 2!

Posted: Mon Jan 24, 2005 1:23 pm
by FINGERS76
Yes it is possible. Music theory is a guideline, not a set of limitations.


Let your ears be the judge. Not your mind.

Re: Major to Minor

Posted: Mon Jan 24, 2005 4:51 pm
by spcastlemagic
NeeWhan wrote:One favourite is 'Hang Man' by Led Zep.
Not to derail, but I have never heard of this song, and I have every offical Zep recording right here... do you mean Gallows Pole?

Re: Major to Minor

Posted: Tue Jan 25, 2005 9:59 am
by NeeWhan
spcastlemagic wrote:
NeeWhan wrote:One favourite is 'Hang Man' by Led Zep.
Not to derail, but I have never heard of this song, and I have every offical Zep recording right here... do you mean Gallows Pole?
Does THAT song go from so~called one to the other as original thread?

Maybe both!

Re: Major to Minor

Posted: Tue Jan 25, 2005 8:03 pm
by Mattalac
spcastlemagic wrote:
NeeWhan wrote:One favourite is 'Hang Man' by Led Zep.
Not to derail, but I have never heard of this song, and I have every offical Zep recording right here... do you mean Gallows Pole?

yeah its gallows pole :lol:

could any one explain the changing of key or whatever into 15 year old self teaching type language??

Posted: Wed Jan 26, 2005 1:19 am
by GYPCMAN
Ok.....play A major scales over the A major chord then play Am scales over the F chord. ..........A Ionian to F Lydian........

To understand the sound of this, try these arpeggios.

A/9
||---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
||---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|-2-|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
||---|---|---|---|---|-1-|---|---|-1-|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
||---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|-4-|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
||---|---|---|---|---|---|-2-|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
||---|---|---|---|-1-|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|

F/9
||---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
||---|---|---|---|---|-2-|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
||---|-1-|---|---|-1-|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
||---|---|---|---|-4-|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
||---|---|-2-|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
||-1-|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|


------------------------------------------------------------------------
-------------10-------------------------------6-------------------------
-------6--9------9--6------------------2--5----5--2---------------------
-----9------------------9-------------5---------------5-----------------
---7-----------------------7-------3---------------------3--------------
-5-----------------------------1----------------------------1-----------

Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2005 9:26 pm
by phoenix2874
Hmm...to simplify the idea of a key change... :idea: We have twelve notes available to us before we repeat in another octave, right? Well, seven of those notes, when grouped in a particular order sound good together, and the notes are determined by which note you start with. For example, the notes that make G major are: G A B C D E F#. G major has a certain familiar, upbeat "feel" to it. The key change discussed earlier would be to simply move to G *minor*. Those notes are G A Bb C D Eb F. The key of G minor is a dark, sad and somber sound, yet the starting note remains the same as G major. There are plenty of other ways to change keys, but that is a simplified example to help explain what you asked for.

Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2005 9:33 pm
by brainpolice
Yea. Basically it's the concept of parallel major and minor. Very easy to modulate to, all one has to do is resolve V to a minor I, and continue in the minor key :)

Posted: Fri Jan 28, 2005 10:41 am
by NeeWhan
phoenix2874 wrote:Hmm...to simplify the idea of a key change... :idea: We have twelve notes available to us before we repeat in another octave, right?
Yes, I agree. Absolutely. From your perspective, yes, there is a restriction or adherence to a limited amount of 'seperate', different divisions. And these you have called/labelled 'notes'.

Wouldn't it be great to realise that the 'particianing' of a piece of 'twine' could be mathematically right, and at the same time questionable when 'agreed upon seperation' has no way of standing up against something a bit more UN~limited?

Limitation is simply that; something contained or restrictive.

UN~limitation 'includes' the limitation and is the openess or 'ground' for the 'divisional' to stamp its authority in.

Re~member you are un~limited. And in that un~bounded, un~bridled space, 'limitation' is not dissallowed.

And all of it happens in this.

Including the twelve/seven/five etc. etc. etc.