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PostPosted: Mon Jun 18, 2012 8:27 am 
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You cant hide behind technique and flashy speed if it doesnt fit the music. seems to me some players just CANT play slow cause it'll just show them up for having no feel or taste...

take this for example

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KIN3Yta97vE

Now I love some of Zack's playing but this is plainly awful....maybe he cant feel anything anymore so he resorts to spewing out his usual cliched string of runs...I'm embarassed for him really.

So my point is this.....playing slow is the new holy grail.

Naked emotion as opposed to bullshit.

Expressing how you feel as opposed to displaying pointless fretboard gymnastics.

ok rant over.


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 18, 2012 2:50 pm 
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I don't think playing fast necessarily 'bypasses' (for lack of a better term) feel or taste.. it certainly can if it's just 3 note per string scale runs repeating shapes one after another but to suggest that using it to hide the fact a player lacks feel or taste is ridiculous.

I think the main issue with playing fast, in alot of cases is that players look more at the speed than the note choice and thus forget/care less for the road in which they are taking the melody and thus the very thought of 'playing fast' springs up a scenario in our heads of a guitar player picking 16th notes at a metronome beat of 180bpm in a chromatic scale.

As for using high tempo to 'hide behind technique and flashy speed', while this is not always the case... I've seen this get abused many a time and I do understand/feel your pain :)

That being said I do encourage guitar players to work on their speed both high and low tempo because plainly put, you never know when you're going to need to use them. Think of your guitar technique and abilities as a tool-belt: I'd rather have high tempo, arpeggio, sweep picking on there just in-case I need them rather than not having them there all because I want to work more on slower stuff and 'playing with feel'.

Bottom line is this: If you're serious about developing your skills on your chosen instrument, you should be prepared to study all aspects and it's ranges instead of just the stuff that you wish to incorporate in your music at that given time. It's the added flavor and feel of -enter guitarist's name here- that makes the music, musician & improvisation so inspiring to the listener and is what makes every musician different.


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 18, 2012 11:47 pm 
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GYiakoumi wrote:
I don't think playing fast necessarily 'bypasses' feel or taste..

I never said it did.
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to suggest that using it to hide the fact a player lacks feel or taste is ridiculous.

Some do yes, there are plenty of tasteless shredders out there.
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Bottom line is this: If you're serious about developing your skills on your chosen instrument, you should be prepared to study all aspects and it's ranges instead of just the stuff that you wish to incorporate in your music at that given time.


The Bottom line is expressing yourself honestly on the instrument.


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 19, 2012 2:04 am 
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Guitaruss wrote:
Some do yes, there are plenty of tasteless shredders out there.


Then don't listen to them.

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The Bottom line is expressing yourself honestly on the instrument.


If you pick up an instrument for the first time in your life with no sense of direction, no knowledge of scales, no practice of technique etc. etc. I mean, I don't care how honest you think your expressing yourself you're going to sound shit. If you have a good balance of technique, a good understanding of how the instrument works and a good ear for what sounds good then you're going to come across a much better sounding musician.

Studying the instrument, techniques and all it's ranges shouldn't be a seperate path from playing with feel, they should work hand in hand. performing well on a instrument comes from practice and knowledge of the instrument, playing with feel comes from the heart, but it is never 'one or the other...'

You can't just pick up the guitar, and play slow just because you want to sound like you're playing with feel, I've seen plenty of players do that and they can sound just as bad as 'tasteless shredders' most of the time to the point where they don't even sound in control.


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 19, 2012 3:29 am 
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I dont think you've grasped the point I was making but thanks for the condecending lecture :wink:


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 19, 2012 11:13 am 
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some artists I think feel they need to play fast in order to impress people. They want to get that wow factor in there, or they just really like to play fast. I think personally Zack sounded terrible, but only because he was playing what sounded like the same stuff over and over again and he was playing shred metal over a smooth blusey kind of slow backing. His technique is good, but in the context of a slow song he really should have stopped shredding after the first minute.


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 19, 2012 11:48 am 
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I can`t say it was "fear", per se, that had him playing like that. Zakk has proven his worth plenty of times over the years. What I think it was is a lack of patience for the situation. It takes a lot of restraint and self control to back off the throttle when you`re mainly a shredder, and if the mood isn`t right it just won`t happen.

Doesn`t make ZW "suck", just means his musical maturity wasn`t keyed up for the moment. I can`t say playing slow is "the new holy grail", but I can definitely say that the ability to slow down and play tastefully and still impress the audience is a skill you can`t do motor skill drills for.


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 19, 2012 1:34 pm 
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Guitaruss wrote:
I dont think you've grasped the point I was making but thanks for the condecending lecture :wink:


I certainly did, and you're welcome. ;)


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 20, 2012 4:30 am 
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Guitaruss wrote:
You cant hide behind technique and flashy speed if it doesnt fit the music. seems to me some players just CANT play slow cause it'll just show them up for having no feel or taste...

take this for example

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KIN3Yta97vE


That is awful!


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 20, 2012 4:49 am 
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7 wasps in a old rusty tin. There isn't enough vomit in the world to express how awful the Zak clip is!


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7 wasps in a old rusty tin. There isn't enough vomit in the world to express how awful the Zak clip is!


Sounds like me and you both playing through the same Marshall MS2 amp!


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 21, 2012 12:36 am 
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'playing'.....That's a bit of a stretch.


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 21, 2012 11:28 pm 
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i can see both sides to this,have the ability to shred then you can choose not to.Zak has the ability and chose to shred,maybe a bad choice according to some of us but maybe he got a last minute call to play and didnt have time to work on something more in keeping with the tune,maybe someone out the back pissed him off or he was just having a bad day or whatever,all sorts of things can effect your performance,if we all nailed everything every time we would be machines.


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 08, 2012 4:09 pm 
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well its like if you have a fast motor bike as I do ,.dosnt mean you have to ride the thing at full speed every where, but its nice to know that you can accelerate rapidly at any time one chooses ,.
There is a Track over in the promo section called Shredding Time ,listen to that for good shredding and whats more Zakk Wylde couldnt touch it to save him self.


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 08, 2012 4:11 pm 
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kyle am I wrote:
some artists I think feel they need to play fast in order to impress people. They want to get that wow factor in there, or they just really like to play fast. I think personally Zack sounded terrible, but only because he was playing what sounded like the same stuff over and over again and he was playing shred metal over a smooth blusey kind of slow backing. His technique is good, but in the context of a slow song he really should have stopped shredding after the first minute.


and some artists just cant play fast and some can ,and some just dont like to .


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