Written Orchestra Score for Weeping China Doll

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Written Orchestra Score for Weeping China Doll

#1 Post by kyle am I » Thu Feb 07, 2013 5:25 pm

Hey guys. I've decided to take a step onto my own creativity and write a score for Weeping China Doll. It's a difficult task, yes, but I've decided to do it. Anybody with advice, anything to ad, anything would be appreciated. It's such an epic peice it's such a shame it isn't scored orchestrally.

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Preparing for a hard nights composing X)

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Re: Written Orchestra Score for Weeping China Doll

#2 Post by Jeries » Sat Feb 09, 2013 10:29 am

lets see-i have 10 yrs of experience orchestrating...hmmm

Buy all of these books:

http://www.amazon.com/Essential-Diction ... hestration" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

http://www.amazon.com/Orchestration-Dov ... pd_sim_b_7" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

http://www.amazon.com/Workbook-Study-Or ... tion+adler" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

start with those and then begin orchestrating

Also if you can't play a wind instrument- you should learn one before starting because without that experience OR reading hundreds of scores you have no idea what kind of things instruments do and play in the real world

Trumpets don't play long borning notes all day- they ususally do articulated stuff on off beats or cool runs followed by fanfares

French horns pretty much play 4 note chords on off beats teh entire time with sometimes taking the lead... but there's pretty much an entire class you need to take on how to write out those 4 notes to come out well written with perper counterpoint and no parellelism

anyway get to reading

also- a bad way to start is a book with the word TABLATURE on it

The pocketguide to orchestration above is the best book i own and have ever read on the subject but you have to read the other stuff first
enjoy learning about the ranges of the SERPENT and SACBUT (they're instruments) in the Forysth book

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Re: Written Orchestra Score for Weeping China Doll

#3 Post by kyle am I » Sun Feb 10, 2013 7:26 am

the tab book was just where I tabbed weeping china doll, not for writing music lol. I'll buy some of those books, but I'm not going to be really performing it anywhere, just for fun. I play the saxophone, so for reference I can play it. I'm in a theory class, I've got the basics. I'm not looking to write anything spectacular, just for fun and enjoyment. I've been wanting to compose music since I first herd the Trans Siberian orchestra, long before I even knew Steve Vai even existed, so it should be interesting. Thanks for the tips!
Jeries wrote:lets see-i have 10 yrs of experience orchestrating...hmmm

Buy all of these books:

http://www.amazon.com/Essential-Diction ... hestration" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

http://www.amazon.com/Orchestration-Dov ... pd_sim_b_7" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

http://www.amazon.com/Workbook-Study-Or ... tion+adler" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

start with those and then begin orchestrating

Also if you can't play a wind instrument- you should learn one before starting because without that experience OR reading hundreds of scores you have no idea what kind of things instruments do and play in the real world

Trumpets don't play long borning notes all day- they ususally do articulated stuff on off beats or cool runs followed by fanfares

French horns pretty much play 4 note chords on off beats teh entire time with sometimes taking the lead... but there's pretty much an entire class you need to take on how to write out those 4 notes to come out well written with perper counterpoint and no parellelism

anyway get to reading

also- a bad way to start is a book with the word TABLATURE on it

The pocketguide to orchestration above is the best book i own and have ever read on the subject but you have to read the other stuff first
enjoy learning about the ranges of the SERPENT and SACBUT (they're instruments) in the Forysth book

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Re: Written Orchestra Score for Weeping China Doll

#4 Post by kyle am I » Sun Feb 10, 2013 7:30 am

and I also have a 600 page theory textbook, which is probably the most indespensible tool so far.

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Re: Written Orchestra Score for Weeping China Doll

#5 Post by Jeries » Sun Feb 10, 2013 10:10 pm

TSO was actually the reason I learned Orchestration

I heard Carol Of The Bells
(actually called Christmas Eve 24/something)

and went to my band director and said "i want to orchestrate"

the gists of it were taught to me but a student teacher in the library over 2 lunches and he and the band directors told me to get 2 of those books.

(the student teacher now runs Auburns marching band i think)

As stupid as this sounds- i don't think orchestration has much to do with theory as you think- its really all about knowing what the parts do and knowing the transpositions and ranges of them

if you play sax you're ahead of the game

BECAUSE SAX IS THE HARDEST TO ORCHESTRATE FOR

(well first real symphonies and orchestras DONT HAVE SAXES they have low brass clainrets and french horns who can play damn well and then you don't need 'em- sorry)

I'd suggest downloading Finale Notepad or whatever is free

I've been using Finale since I was 16 or 17

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Re: Written Orchestra Score for Weeping China Doll

#6 Post by kyle am I » Mon Feb 11, 2013 3:23 pm

exactly. The TSO is really what made me want to play guitar. I loved the way they had the violins and strings and sometimes horns. That's why, even before Steve vai, I would write down music on note paper (when I was nine, without any musical connotation at all). It's kinda funny, looking back on what I "wrote" which was literally just dots on paper. And thanks for the help, it's really appreciated :)

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