Real Illusions Reflections guitar tab book available at last

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http://www.amazon.co.uk/Steve-Vai-Real- ... 47&sr=1-13

Available to pre-order fom Amazon's UK site, due for release 30 Jan 2008!

Could it finally happen this time??
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can't believe it only came out now.. that's pretty long isn't it?


but who actually does the tabbing? steve?
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Yeah, I believe he does it himself!
He mentions this book in the email we all got last week, so he's certainly involved!
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yeah! good news for all :D
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I'm still waiting for a tab book for Flexable.....

It's only 24 years old.....
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djhollowman wrote:Yeah, I believe he does it himself!
He mentions this book in the email we all got last week, so he's certainly involved!
I don't think he does....
I recall reading that Steve sits down with a video camera and plays along with the CD. That way the transcriber can see exactly what he does, as hearing it may not be enough.
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Actually, you may be surprised to know that a lot of the tab books we read are transcribed by keyboard players (hence the ridiculous fingerings we are sometimes presented with).

The artists are very rarely involved with the production of sheet music beyond the occasional foreword or introduction. I am always surprised when people think that the artists can find time between recording, writing, promotion, touring, rehearsals, etc, etc to write out their songs for the tab books.

I may be wrong, but this is always what I have been lead to believe.


All the best

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RAI wrote:I don't think he does....
I recall reading that Steve sits down with a video camera and plays along with the CD. That way the transcriber can see exactly what he does, as hearing it may not be enough.
I remember reading that in an interview wit Steve around the P&W era. But that doesn't explain why some of the TAB is just so incorrect! For example, the 'Answers' ending lick is actually played with bends (Sound Theories DVD, Young Guitar Lesson DVD) whereas the TAB suggests it should be played with a serious of slides! How could a transcriber make such glaring mistake, unless the video sceanrio isn't the case. If such videos are made, I'd love to buy one! Musical porn!
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djhollowman wrote:http://www.amazon.co.uk/Steve-Vai-Real- ... 47&sr=1-13
Available to pre-order fom Amazon's UK site, due for release 30 Jan 2008!
Could it finally happen this time??
It seems odd that its only available from secondary sellers and the used copy (where the hell did that come from?) is the same price as the new copy. It might be worth waiting for a few weeks.........
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I believe he used to do videos for the transcribers - as he mentions in the ALS DVD commentary, but I really cannot see him doing that any more. He may give them a list of effects used and any unusual tunings - but that's it. Transcribers really don't need videos - those that are any good anyhow!

When I transcribe - I find it easier to transcribe through the audio than watching a video. I think that's because I stop using my ears and try to match the finger movement and positions shown on the video - which can be quite deceptive at times. It's cool to use the video as an overview, but nothing more.

I think the majority of the older Vai tab books were transcribed by Dave Whitehill - but now they seem to be split between at least two transcribers.

Steve :)
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The tab maybe wrong but the little black dots never lie.

The dvd's, books & string tone references: ie A..open...A 7th fret D string. All play a part in hearing,seeing & making judgments. Of course there is also what would be logical routes.

These can change from night to night only ever so slight but they are there.

Players

One sort of proof could be the way a person learns a passage. Trying to un-learn it & applie a different route can be very hard. Muscle memory can be a great thing & then again you can end up fighting it to be free. There should be choice.

Your choice.
To go.
To play.
Anywhere you feel, with-in the boundaries of the progression. Then, only to try & find a way of weaving in & out. If you need/want.
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I don't know why that came out.
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R.I tab though with the gymnastics guitar work has to be spot on (Fire Garden & U.Z Tab was). A: In them we trust. B: When going through the tab your see a section when your know.."That can't be done." C: The dvd comes out. {It can be done that way} or Ya see what the tab tried to convay. D: It's all good & well, well worth the money.

As a job, if someone gave you a Vai album & said black & white that for the masses with not one mistake. The amount of work that must go into a project like that.
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FRETPICK wrote:The tab maybe wrong but the little black dots never lie.

The dvd's, books & string tone references: ie A..open...A 7th fret D string. All play a part in hearing,seeing & making judgments. Of course there is also what would be logical routes.

These can change from night to night only ever so slight but they are there.

Players

One sort of proof could be the way a person learns a passage. Trying to un-learn it & applie a different route can be very hard. Muscle memory can be a great thing & then again you can end up fighting it to be free. There should be choice.

Your choice.
To go.
To play.
Anywhere you feel, with-in the boundaries of the progression. Then, only to try & find a way of weaving in & out. If you need/want.
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I don't know why that came out.
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R.I tab though with the gymnastics guitar work has to be spot on (Fire Garden & U.Z Tab was). A: In them we trust. B: When going through the tab your see a section when your know.."That can't be done." C: The dvd comes out. {It can be done that way} or Ya see what the tab tried to convay. D: It's all good & well, well worth the money.

As a job, if someone gave you a Vai album & said black & white that for the masses with not one mistake. The amount of work that must go into a project like that.
Are you a poet or a lyricist? Your posts are always so wonderfully cryptic!

Steve :wink:
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Evo_Jem7VWH wrote:Actually, you may be surprised to know that a lot of the tab books we read are transcribed by keyboard players (hence the ridiculous fingerings we are sometimes presented with).
It's possible that was true years ago, but I'm fairly sure it isn't now. I've seen many inaccurate/illogical things by transcribers that can be verified as guitarists, so it doesn't seem like playing the instrument is a guarantee of quality.
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FRETPICK wrote:The tab maybe wrong but the little black dots never lie.
That's not true! Using the 'Answers' lick as a further example, the 'little black dots' also indicate a slide rather than the bends that Steve actually uses. They are just as misleading as the TAB, perhaps more so, because they give no indication of where on the fretboard the notes should be played.
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Big Bad Bill wrote:
FRETPICK wrote:The tab maybe wrong but the little black dots never lie.
That's not true! Using the 'Answers' lick as a further example, the 'little black dots' also indicate a slide rather than the bends that Steve actually uses. They are just as misleading as the TAB, perhaps more so, because they give no indication of where on the fretboard the notes should be played.
I'll concede.

Articulations vary.
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