Stringbreaker wrote:GuitarmanK1982 has taken issue with the term "western" to refer to the implied origin of the ancestors of the guitar. Maybe there is some justice in this from a global musicological perspective, but I use terms based on a more limited perspective. I thought I was posting to readers who play electric guitars and whose theory books are found at local music stores and online, not at universities.
If you have read any books at all on the history and evolution of the guitar, you would know about its' origins.
I'm glad you admit your perspective is limited.
Any book on the history of the guitar will at least mention the Moors' invasion of Spain.
By these comments, I doubt if you have ever read even one book on the history of the guitar.
I think you'll find the readers here aren't as close-minded as what you imagine. Heck, some of us even own an acoustic guitar
If I was a reader, I would be offended at the above comment regarding what constitutes who posts on this forum. You shouldn't think in as narrow minded terms with regards to individuals on this forum.
I'm sorry for you that the fact that someone who posts on this forum knows what they are talking about has shown that you are terribly lacking in theoretical knowledge. If you didn't get hostile, I wouldn't have either.
RE your probelm with the double flattened fifths etc - i'll still help you with this. Just get over yourself and accept that you weren't very well researched in the area you were posting about!!
When trying to contribute something to a field - which you must be doing, by getting in touch with universities etc - you should be fully researched in that field. This isn't rude - it is a basic rule of research. And you didn't do your research.
I have pointed you in the correct direction, yet you don't seem very interested in it.
Stringbreaker wrote:He has also taken issue with the fact that I applied any name to scales that he is not aware of. The true name of a scale is the sequence of notes itself. The names he is presenting is hardly common knowledge and I should not have my chops busted because I did not attend the same university he did. Come on, a guy who calls himself Stringbreaker is supposed to be some kind of university professor?
No - you are meant to listen and learn from someone who does actually know what they are talking about.
And the above statement by yourself is such a fallacy it is unbelievable. You think that because you personally don't know the name of some of the scales that this constitutes 'hardly common knowledge'? In my field, mostly everyone knows these kind of things.
Once again, this is presumptuous, and is an insult to the others here.
PS what scales am I personally 'not aware of'??
PPS I also said in my first post to you that I commended you for your research. I was trying to help you. I was hoping you would realise that you research was in no way exhaustive, but you took offence.
Stringbreaker wrote:I made an examination of all of the interval patterns involved in seven note scales, applied the names I knew to the ones I recognized, and applied a label to the rest. The label "synthetic" seems also to be a point of contention here. All I meant by the name was that I had not seen the references he is using. Not having a PHd in music I would think this would be understandable. Obviously it is not. Would it have been more acceptable to call a mode group "Unknown" or "I haven't found this yet so please don't yell at me" instead of "Synthetic"? Sheesh.
No - you should have researched your field fully before trying to, as I previously said, 'enlighten' us all with your kowledge.
I wouldn't learn a few words in a foreign language then try to create a full structure for what constitutes creating words in that particular language.
I think you're offended because someone has shown that you were ill-researched, and didn't really know what you were talking about.
Stringbreaker wrote:He seems to think that by posting information here that I am in some way damaging the readers. I guess I will need to stop posting material on scales to avoid being attacked by real scholars. It's so dangerous....
False information is dangerous - especially on a forum where the readers actually like to learn something.
If you notice, I only post in the 'general' section, or in the 'techniques/music theory' section, since topics come up that I can actually help with, and provide good information on.
I would never comment in one of the sections such as Vai's gear, since others here know far more about that than me.
Whereas you are providing false and inaccurate information presented in a poor manner.
I know my strengths and my weaknesses. Sometimes I read other's posts, and learn from them. Others perhaps read my posts, and learn from them.
Your view seems, well, arrogant.
Stringbreaker wrote:He calls me delusional because I implied that I would not have time to immediately examine the material the threw down on Karnatik scales. Back where I come from, there is a bumper sticker which reads "real musicians have day jobs". If I am implying that I won't have time the reason is that I am not independently wealthy. I am a regular Joe who plays guitar, reads music books after the children are put to bed, and can take weeks to get to something when there are household chores and repairs to do.
I am a professional musician, and i'm providing information - so you could do worse than learning from it, since the field you like to study in your spare time is the very field I am active in as a professional.
Stringbreaker wrote:If music is supposed to only be the study of the rich, then I do not belong here and the topic should indeed be left to GuitarmanK1982. It's all yours. Do what you like with it. Have fun.
It is nothing to do with being rich. You are trying to divide the peope here reading this by making me seem somewhat 'isolated' from what constitutes everyone else on this forum.
What constitutes everyone on this forum is a love for music, and a respect for what music is.
I'd personally be more offended at your presumptuous comments made earlier in this thread.
And if you must know, I wasn't born rich, and I work with people from all walks of life. The only time I have commented on what I do is if someone asks me, or if someone questions me regarding it.