Harmonic + Melodic Minor Modes

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trippy_hippy
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Does anyone know the names given to the modes of the harmonic and melodic minor scales?
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what I once managed to piece together



modes of the harmonic minor
harmonic major/ionian augmented
1 2 3 4 #5 6 7
C D E F G# A B

dorian #4
1 2 b3 #4 5 6 b7
D E F G# A B C

spanish phrygian/phrygian dominant/spanish gypsy/whatever
1 b2 3 4 5 b6 b7
E F #G A B C D

lydian #2
1 #2 3 #4 5 6 7
F G# A B C D E

altered diminished seventh
1 b2 b3 b4 b5 b6 bb7
#G A B C D E F

harmonic minor
1 2 b3 4 5 b6 7
A B C D E F G#

locrian #6
1 b2 b3 4 b5 6 b7
B C D E F #G A



modes of the melodic minor
lydian augmented
1 2 3 #4 #5 6 7
C D E F# G# A B

lydian dominant
1 2 3 #4 5 6 b7
D E F# G# A B C

mixolydian b6
1 2 3 4 5 b6 b7
E #F #G A B C D

locrian natural 2nd
1 2 b3 4 b5 b6 b7
#F G# A B C D E

altered/altered dominant/diminished wholetone
1 b2 b3 b4 b5 b6 b7
#G A B C D E #F

melodic minor
1 2 b3 4 5 6 7
A B C D E F# G#

dorian b2
1 b2 b3 4 5 6 b7
B C D E #F #G A
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Oh beat me to the punch
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Also you can use "mode 4 of A melodic" instead of "D lydian dominant", for example. You can use the number of the mode for any and it is real clear.

Also some other names I have heard for:
Lydian dominant: Overtone scale or lydian b7
Locrian natural 2 is more commonly Aeolian b5.

Altered is often called "superlocrian"

I sometimes think of melodic minor as Dorian with a major 7th. Sounds cool on Dorian vamps as a passing tone.

Two uncertantites I have. To me "Spanish phrygian" makes specific use of both the minor and major 3rd. So EFGG#ABCD or 1 b2 b3 3 4 5 b6 b7. A combo of natural or minor phrygian and phrygian dominant.

also I have heard "harmonic major" applied to 12345b67, NOT 1234#567. Hope you see the difference?

So now the modes of my "harmonic major"...what are THEY called? :lol:

In flamenco we often use mode 5 of that scale. So G Ab B C D E F. What is that called? Phrygian dom #6?
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I don't understand a word of it... Yet...
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BorgAngel wrote:I don't understand a word of it... Yet...
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also I have heard "harmonic major" applied to 12345b67, NOT 1234#567. Hope you see the difference?
Indeed, those two are not to be confused with e.o.. A lot of people think that harmonic and melodic major are modes of harmonic and melodic minor, but it isn't that simple :)
So now the modes of my "harmonic major"...what are THEY called?
Good question... Allan Holdsworth deals with a lot of scales and modes in his book "Just for the curious", also harmonic (and melodic) major and its modes, but I think he didn't give each of them a specific name...

I think you could use the same system as before, taking some standard scale and naming the new scale by it's alterations. Harmonic major could be something like "Dorian maj7#4"
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Wow... :shock: i guess i have a lot to learn
Cheers dudes this is really helpful
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Welcome to the cult. These names were culled from several music books. These are all in the key of C. Not the most appropriate or convenient, but marvelous for consistency. Try going through the modes in sequence. I have made charts of scales like these in different tunings, but only on an as needed basis. I also made a private list of all 462 possible scales sorted by mode. Please don't ask me which ones are the useful ones, I don't know that yet...

The scales are given in two forms: one is the raw pitches, the other is "normalized" to match the form of the major type scale.

Melodic minor modes -

Super Locrian - c c# d# e f# g# a# c - C db eb fb gb ab Bb
Melodic Minor - c d d# f g a b c - C D eb F G A B
Dorian b2 - c c# d# f g a a# c - C db eb F G A Bb
Lydian Augmented - c d e f# g# a b c - C D E f# g# A B
Lydian Dominant - c d e f# g a a# c - C D E f# G A Bb
Hindu - c d e f g g# a# c - C D E F G ab Bb
Locrian Nat 2 - c d d# f f# g# a# c - C D eb F gb ab Bb

Harmonic minor modes

Alt bb 7 - c c# d# e f# g# a c - C db eb fb gb ab Bbb
Harmonic Minor - c d d# f g g# b c - C D eb F G ab B
Locrian Nat 6 - c c# d# f f# a a# c - C db eb F gb A Bb
Ionian #5 - c d e f g# a b c - C D E F g# A B
Dorian #4 - c d d# f# g a a# c - C D eb f# G A Bb
Phrygian Nat 3 - c c# e f g g# a# c - C db E F G ab Bb
Lydian #2 - c d# e f# g a b c - C d# E f# G A B

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I think that the Spanishphrygian mode is the best one.
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spanishphrygian wrote:I think that the Spanishphrygian mode is the best one.
Me too, but the name 'Phrygian Dominant' sounds better :wink:
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I also like alot the superlocrian/altered mode for it's bebop compatibility and, of course, lydian dom, the "Simpsons mode" :D
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seljer wrote:what I once managed to piece together



modes of the harmonic minor
harmonic major/ionian augmented
1 2 3 4 #5 6 7
C D E F G# A B

dorian #4
1 2 b3 #4 5 6 b7
D E F G# A B C

spanish phrygian/phrygian dominant/spanish gypsy/whatever
1 b2 3 4 5 b6 b7
E F #G A B C D

lydian #2
1 #2 3 #4 5 6 7
F G# A B C D E

altered diminished seventh
1 b2 b3 b4 b5 b6 bb7
#G A B C D E F

harmonic minor
1 2 b3 4 5 b6 7
A B C D E F G#

locrian #6
1 b2 b3 4 b5 6 b7
B C D E F #G A



modes of the melodic minor
lydian augmented
1 2 3 #4 #5 6 7
C D E F# G# A B

lydian dominant
1 2 3 #4 5 6 b7
D E F# G# A B C

mixolydian b6
1 2 3 4 5 b6 b7
E #F #G A B C D

locrian natural 2nd
1 2 b3 4 b5 b6 b7
#F G# A B C D E

altered/altered dominant/diminished wholetone
1 b2 b3 b4 b5 b6 b7
#G A B C D E #F

melodic minor
1 2 b3 4 5 6 7
A B C D E F# G#

dorian b2
1 b2 b3 4 5 6 b7
B C D E #F #G A


aaaarg, I have been playing for years, why don't I know this!!!

:cry:
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