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 Post subject: An Action Dilemma
PostPosted: Sat Jul 13, 2013 9:22 am 
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i have an Rg350dx that originally had an edge III bridge. I hated the edge III so I bought an original edge and three it onto the old edge III studs. That wasn't a good idea because it indented the knife edges. When I had my sustainer put in around three months ago, I had Guitar Center put the old edge studs put in. They did it exactly right and everything, it turned out great.

Ever since I have had the Original Edge I , I noticed that I've had a really high action. It's about 3mm high at the twelfth fret. Is that really high? It definitely feels like it to me. So anyway, I found a few pictures of jems and rg550s and such and looked at the height of the bridge. Usually, the bridge would sit fairly high compared to mine and the guitar would have a fairly low action. If you look at this Jemsite thread, you will see that these guys tell the asker to use the "rectangle" to help balance the trem. On my guitar, the rectangle is so far down I can't even see it. And I still have a high action. http://www.jemsite.com/forums/f21/ibane ... 987-5.html


This is a picture of my low bridge http://imageshack.us/a/img163/3669/5uj7.jpg

Is it just my guitar? Is the route for the bridge too high up or too low or something? How can I fix this?


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 Post subject: Re: An Action Dilemma
PostPosted: Sat Jul 13, 2013 9:33 am 
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heres a picture of the action at the sustainer driver
http://imageshack.us/a/img18/8094/bjq8.jpg


And the height of the bridge at a different angle
http://imageshack.us/a/img707/4664/6ttm.jpg

Ps- I've even set my neck truss rod back to see how much It would do, I set it perfectly straight just to see and it didn't do anything. I set it back to a slight curve and the result was the same.


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 Post subject: Re: An Action Dilemma
PostPosted: Sat Jul 13, 2013 9:36 am 
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hi kyle,
you need to shim the neck.


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 Post subject: Re: An Action Dilemma
PostPosted: Sat Jul 13, 2013 9:40 am 
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so raising the neck off the neck joint should fix the problem?


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 Post subject: Re: An Action Dilemma
PostPosted: Sat Jul 13, 2013 9:41 am 
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would the shim be to angle the neck forwards?


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 Post subject: Re: An Action Dilemma
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hi,
you need to use a small shim under the neck(take neck off)nearest to the neck pickup,this will tilt the neck back allowing you to raise the trem and achieve a low action.you should be looking for a string height of around 1.5mm.
full setup guide is on rich`s website(ibanez rules)


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 Post subject: Re: An Action Dilemma
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hi,
you need to use a small shim under the neck(take neck off)nearest to the neck pickup,this will tilt the neck back allowing you to raise the trem and achieve a low action.you should be looking for a string height of around 1.5mm.
full setup guide is on rich`s website(ibanez rules)


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 Post subject: Re: An Action Dilemma
PostPosted: Sat Jul 13, 2013 9:54 am 
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no worries :D glad to help.

btw you can buy shims but i always make mine,you will be surprised just how much difference a .01mm thick shim will make but sometime you will need thicker.


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what materials should I use as the shim?
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no worries :D glad to help.

btw you can buy shims but i always make mine,you will be surprised just how much difference a .01mm thick shim will make but sometime you will need thicker.


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 Post subject: Re: An Action Dilemma
PostPosted: Sat Jul 13, 2013 10:09 am 
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will an old credit/gift card work? And do you have any pictures of the shim itself you made? How large thinks it be, should it be large enough that I have to cut holes in it for the screw holes?

(How should I cut it, how long should it be, etc... http://imageshack.us/a/img7/8776/ez63.jpg


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 Post subject: Re: An Action Dilemma
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you can use anything really,
i use wood but that is hard to get down to the correct thickness,you can use card,metal(nut shims)plastic(a cut down piece of tie wrap work well)you could try trimming down a matchstick,there about the right length for a shim and you could use a knife to get the right thickness(by trial and error)


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 Post subject: Re: An Action Dilemma
PostPosted: Sat Jul 13, 2013 10:17 am 
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if you use a large shim you will need to make holes for the neck bolts but remember you are just trying to tilt the neck slightly not put a shim under the whole of the neck pocket.


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 Post subject: Re: An Action Dilemma
PostPosted: Sat Jul 13, 2013 10:21 am 
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that card you pictured would be fine,just cut 5mm off the end,although you wont know if the thickness is correct until you try it,its all trial and error.


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 Post subject: Re: An Action Dilemma
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how many times do i have to tell you...

you need a good professional set up
and good professional fret dress

should be about 100-120 bucks

the nut probably needs to be shimmed- the neck needs to be

you probably need good/new springs... the action set, the bridge set- everything.

BUT knowing you - you're not gonna listen and you're going to take the neck off- throw a business card in it- and screw it back on. which you can do- BUT get it set up right.

the action looks awful- i can't even look at that picture

my guitars are all cheap with good pickups but they're set up damn well.... the only ibanez i've got that didn't need extensive setup work was my yellow 25th anniversary S

I need to get them touched up (about 20 bucks) every 1-6 months each guitar


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 Post subject: Re: An Action Dilemma
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look, I don't have a lot of money. I can't keep spending money on stuff that I really can do myself. That's why I come here. It Dosent have to be perfect, I'm happy with not perfect. Until I can get a real setup (which I don't REALLY need to do, my new shim was fine) ill ask you guys and have you guys help me. I'm not Steve vai, I'm not touring or recording or any of that. You can tell me a million more times, but I'll decide when I've had enough to just get it set up. Right now, after this adjustment, apart from a little buzz, it's ok
Jeries wrote:
how many times do i have to tell you...

you need a good professional set up
and good professional fret dress

should be about 100-120 bucks

the nut probably needs to be shimmed- the neck needs to be

you probably need good/new springs... the action set, the bridge set- everything.

BUT knowing you - you're not gonna listen and you're going to take the neck off- throw a business card in it- and screw it back on. which you can do- BUT get it set up right.

the action looks awful- i can't even look at that picture

my guitars are all cheap with good pickups but they're set up damn well.... the only ibanez i've got that didn't need extensive setup work was my yellow 25th anniversary S

I need to get them touched up (about 20 bucks) every 1-6 months each guitar


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