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Intonating Electric Sitar?

Posted: Sun Mar 23, 2008 10:13 pm
by Jeries
I got a rogue, i think it has the same bridge as the more expensive ones. long story short there is a particular way you adjust the bridge for intonation, i bought mine used so i didnt get the book thingy that explains it...any help would be appricated, its almost unplayably out of tune beyond the 5th fret

Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2008 10:00 pm
by Stephen Brown
http://www.joerizzo.com/sitar/index.htm

The bridge could need checking to see if it correct/ a-lined. Tuning pegs to see if they are holding pitch.

Digi tuner/net/book.

Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2008 10:04 pm
by RAI
Nice link, Fret.
He didn't, however, buy a "real" sitar, but a Rogue.
This is a copy of the famous Jerry Jones sitar.
If you have any of Steve's DVDs (G3/Astoria) you can see it in use by Keneally or Weiner.
I'm sure it requires a different approach than a real sitar....

:)

Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2008 10:10 pm
by Stephen Brown
Opps. :D

Had a little instrument called an auto harp years ago. Steel pin tuner tool. (really cool with a mic going through a 12 string sim.)
I can see the post's here.
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I see the same thing here.

Then it's just a case of treating the sitguitar the same as a normal axe.ie: Fret checks....levels,buff's...etc.

"It has metal notches for the strings and is adjusted for height, action, intonation an Jawari through the positioning of 3 phillips head screws. The purpose of this seemingly kludgy design is to produce what Indian and Pakistani musicians call "Jawari." This is the term to refer to the nasal buzzing over-tone heavy sound associated with the Sitar, Tambura, Veena, Sarangi etc. . It includeds a very basic instuction sheet and the wrench to tune the sympathetic strings."

http://reviews.harmony-central.com/revi ... STR-1/10/1

Posted: Tue Apr 01, 2008 11:40 am
by Jeries
there is a particular way to adjsut the bridge and pitch that will intonate it correctly... i'm not sure of the details something to the effect of tuning and intonating the 2nd and 5th string to pitch first and all the others will then be intonated...
something like that i'm---i'm trying to find the correct details

i've heard it came on a peice of paper with the rogue sitar--just trying to see what was on it

Posted: Thu Apr 03, 2008 3:14 pm
by Stephen Brown
Jeries wrote:there is a particular way to adjsut the bridge and pitch that will intonate it correctly... i'm not sure of the details something to the effect of tuning and intonating the 2nd and 5th string to pitch first and all the others will then be intonated...
something like that i'm---i'm trying to find the correct details

i've heard it came on a peice of paper with the rogue sitar--just trying to see what was on it
What are you trying to get in tune? The reg six string or the sympathetic strings?

What do you know of intonation? Tuning two strings to pitch doesn't make the others fall into place. (nice voice)

Posted: Thu Apr 03, 2008 7:48 pm
by Jeries
ok...
i'll try to make this clear

i'm having trouble adjusting my bridge on my ROGUE ELECTRIC SITAR to get it decently intonated.

i heard somewhere the proper way to intonate it is to get the 2nd and 5th string in tune and intonated and the rest will be properly intonated.

I"m trying to find the correct details and way to intonate the sitar, it is horribly out and almost unplayable

this is for the regular strings not the symp. strings

the sitar was suposed to come with a peice of paper with information on how to intonate it but i got it used so didnt get the peice of paper. the guy i bought it from didnt remember how to intonate it exactly.

SO UNLESS YOU OWN A ROGUE SITAR DON'T REPLY

Posted: Thu Apr 03, 2008 8:12 pm
by Stephen Brown
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Posted: Thu Apr 03, 2008 8:14 pm
by RAI
I don't own a sitar, but I would still like to help you.
Do you have any better pictures of the bridge?
The pictures you supplied are not quite close enough to tell....
Get me close enough, and I'll help you.



(And just to clarify, tuning the strings have no direct relation to intonation)

Posted: Thu Apr 03, 2008 8:34 pm
by Stephen Brown
Here's a clue.

Princible methods.

"I heard somewhere the proper way to intonate it is to get the 2nd and 5th string in tune and intonated and the rest will be properly intonated."
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That is an incorrect statement.

http://www.fretnotguitarrepair.com/intonation.htm

The purpose of this seemingly kludgy design is to produce what Indian and Pakistani musicians call "Jawari." This is the term to refer to the nasal buzzing over-tone heavy sound associated with the Sitar
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However I'm not sure if that would effect the above instructions.

So you have two answers.

A:It will not intonate because of the very nature of the instrument or..
B:It's a reg guitar & thus the first link will apply & work.

Weather I own the instrument or not is irrelovent as the princible methods still apply.

Posted: Fri Apr 04, 2008 4:55 am
by pagliai
You must check the screw of the bridge ,it'll change the action of the strings too so you need a compromise,but give atry ,and retry and so on ,turn the screw and tune turn and tune and so on ,anyway the sitar must not be perfectly intonated ,the right compromise.

Re: Intonating Electric Sitar?

Posted: Thu Jan 22, 2015 9:09 pm
by Rpopp
Anybody still pursuing the elusive properly intonated and happily buzzing electric sitar? I know I'm arriving late for the party but better late than… At any rate. I have had a Jerry Jones Master Electric Sitar for several years and only recently has it gotten unwieldy. Tuning and buzzing DO in fact seem to have a bit of an inverse relationship. And I was hoping someone has solved the mystery of reconciling the two. Any takers?