Classic Rock is mediocre

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#16 Post by tim_knox » Mon Aug 30, 2004 9:12 pm

Again, I don't question the Classic Rock's influence and overall innovation, but compared to bands of today and tomorrow, it sounds obsolete.


derrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!!!! because it was 30 years ago!!!! obviously music progresses. is this something new to you? The bands that you like now are going to seem obsolete in 30 years, are you still going to like the music? or will just because someone is doing something new be better?

I'm not nostalgic, but I don't want to hear bands that been outdated by current bands that did that and more.
what?? can you explain this a little more.

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#17 Post by Joon 'Loki' Yang » Mon Aug 30, 2004 9:23 pm

tim_knox wrote:
derrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!!!! because it was 30 years ago!!!! obviously music progresses. is this something new to you? The bands that you like now are going to seem obsolete in 30 years, are you still going to like the music? or will just because someone is doing something new be better?
Probably. If someone can do the stuff that Steve does, and fortify it somehow, then I'll be a lot more interested in that person than Steve. Same goes for bands like Tool, Muse etc.

But right now, Steve Vai is still the best guitarist currently. But if someone can compose better than him, then I'll listen to that person more than Steve.

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#18 Post by Gulliver » Tue Aug 31, 2004 1:59 am

Joon 'Loki' Yang wrote: But right now, Steve Vai is still the best guitarist currently. But if someone can compose better than him, then I'll listen to that person more than Steve.
One can play (or run) faster, another one can play (or shout) LOUDER. But there is no such a thing as "compose better". It's a completely subjective matter.

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#19 Post by sonny sixshooter » Tue Aug 31, 2004 7:34 am

ah but you're forgetting the soul of the music! That cannot be taken away from the old music.
For the sake of comparison: Jesse Owens winning at the olympic games in 1936 in the heart of the Fatherland will forever be a greater victory than anything Carl Lewis, Ben Johnson or anyone else will ever do! Even though they may do it faster, longer and in better picture quality.
I sure don't hope there are many fans as disloyal as you. Nothing personal, it's just a pity I think. You're mising out on some great music.

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#20 Post by Bold_As_Love » Tue Aug 31, 2004 3:38 pm

brainpolice wrote:Yea im going to have to strongly disagree. People of the past were innovators. Without them, all of your favorite modern bands WOULDNT EXIST. Lets go further back. Without jazz and blues, rock wouldnt exist. Pretty much ALL of the old 50's 60's rockers we're obcessed with blues. Plenty of old rock can be thought of as just blues with a faster tempo, and a different kind of attitude.
The fact of the matter is, alot of old bands did things that the new bands will never touch upon. Something great has been lost in the music world. Do you think any of these new popular bands dont have influences? Do you think there would be Steve Vai as you know it without there having been Frank Zappa as you know it first? Do you think there'd be any blues players out there at this moment without there having been the likes of Buddy Guy and BB King first? The simple answer is no.
Sorry to break it to you, but the older artists invented the game. If you can't handle that, then you need to re-analize some things.
I totally agree brainpolice. Without the classics, none of these new bands would be what they are. Now they may not be directly influenced by bands like zeppelin, but current rock music did come from the classic. Like Elvis (thats why he is the king) But if you dont like it, you dont have to. Its all a matter of opinion. Like i think that all new rock blows the big one. Seriously its garbage, i want to vomit when i hear it. But thats just me.

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#21 Post by 80s fan » Tue Aug 31, 2004 4:00 pm

hey by ''new" music what are talking about? blink 182 and all those other gay fucks?

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#22 Post by Psychlone » Tue Aug 31, 2004 5:23 pm

Fretboard Wizard wrote: Probably because that's what had the biggest impact on you at the time. I'm sure kids growing up now days will say sometime in the future, "Yeah....Dream Theater...that was the band...", know what I'm saying? It's ok too, because as a 17 year old I'm into a loooot of bands and artists that started their career waaay before I was born. Some are dead, but others still live on, and probably will for a long time, such as my good friend steve. :P
Dude. I'm only 19. I missed just about every single artist I like.

But I know what you mean. And I still don't think classic rock is in any way "obsolete"; that would imply we could discard it, and benefit from that action. Which we can't. Booya.

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#23 Post by Joon 'Loki' Yang » Tue Aug 31, 2004 8:36 pm

Gulliver wrote: One can play (or run) faster, another one can play (or shout) LOUDER. But there is no such a thing as "compose better". It's a completely subjective matter.
Yes, I see the obvious. Thanks for reminding me. :)
sonny sixshooter wrote: I sure don't hope there are many fans as disloyal as you. Nothing personal, it's just a pity I think. You're mising out on some great music.
I have a collection of Classic Rock albums, including Pink Floyd, Led Zeppelin, The Doors, The Who etc. But there will be some other great classic rock bands that were forgotten.
80s fan wrote:hey by ''new" music what are talking about? blink 182 and all those other gay fucks?
Tool, Muse, A Perfect Circle, Steve Vai, Joe Satriani, Dream Theater, Symphony X, Radiohead, Yoko Kanno & The Seatbelts, The Flaming Lips, Incubus and Liquid Tension Experiment obviously are quite gay.

For the record, only fags use a sexual preference as derogatory slang.

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#24 Post by Plook » Tue Aug 31, 2004 10:06 pm

I think there are a lot of bands out there that are constantly trying to break bounds and develop new sounds and different styles.

The sad thing is that most of it isn't all that good.

The 70's ruled. The music, the writing the recordings (most of them) are so much more organic that today's.

How many rock albums out now have more that half of the songs that are good? Not many.

I think one of the last great rock albums was Pornografitti. I'm tired now so I'll sleep on this and maybe think of some more.

If you think about today's music, it's just like the 70's music. It's breaking bounds the same. The only difference is that it hasn't had a chance to stand the test of time. I really don't think a large percentage of albums released in the past 10 years are gonna be all that "classic" in the future. There are select ones but not that many of em.

Time for nonawakeness.

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#25 Post by 80s fan » Wed Sep 01, 2004 1:02 pm

80s fan wrote:hey by ''new" music what are talking about? blink 182 and all those other gay fucks?
Tool, Muse, A Perfect Circle, Steve Vai, Joe Satriani, Dream Theater, Symphony X, Radiohead, Yoko Kanno & The Seatbelts, The Flaming Lips, Incubus and Liquid Tension Experiment obviously are quite gay.
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Dude what are you talking about? Steve Vai & and Satriani arent new. They both have been around since the early 80s. So has Dream Theater. and for most of the bands up there , completely suck IMO. Like incubus , wtf? there no were near dream theater's skill, which isnt a new band. Maybe they have new stuff, but they are not new at all. Radio head and a perfect circle ,imo, have nothin to them, and arent half as good as lets say old van halen or something like that. They havent took what older bands in the past have done and evoled it, imo they went are lower than them.

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#26 Post by Joon 'Loki' Yang » Thu Sep 02, 2004 2:25 am

80s fan wrote:
Dude what are you talking about? Steve Vai & and Satriani arent new. They both have been around since the early 80s. So has Dream Theater. and for most of the bands up there , completely suck IMO. Like incubus , wtf? there no were near dream theater's skill, which isnt a new band. Maybe they have new stuff, but they are not new at all. Radio head and a perfect circle ,imo, have nothin to them, and arent half as good as lets say old van halen or something like that. They havent took what older bands in the past have done and evoled it, imo they went are lower than them.
I wouldn't call 80s Classic rock. I see that the 70s and past are classic rock, and then again, Steve Vai's and Joe Satriani's were at the peak of their performance in the 90s.

Also, technicality =/= good album. Second, they took the wankery scale runs and added a Y2k flavour to it. The songwriting done by Radiohead and A Perfect Circle are much superior than Van Halen's lyrics.

Oh, we are talking songwriting as well, right?

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#27 Post by ultrazone_seeker » Thu Sep 02, 2004 3:51 am

Joon 'Loki' Yang wrote:Oh, we are talking songwriting as well, right?
i hope so...
80's, i hope you can see more in music than the technical ability of the performer. that's simply not the point of music, technique is a means to an end.
personally, i really get into A Perfect Circle, and if you're judging them based on the complete lack of shredding in their music, you have no idea how badly you've missed the point.
Texture is replacing the guitar solo. It would sound bizarre if there were traditional guitar solos in APC. It doesn't fit the music. There are solo type parts but they're arranged and affected so that they're not like a metal spotlight type thing. It's a different context.
it's like the cliche of comparing apples with oranges - you can't. i like what they do. the focus is on the atmosphere, the bigger picture. it's not about anyone showing off, it's about an equal contribution from all members. what i admire is the restraint, not only technically, but how seldom they go all-out heavy, considering the bands that the members were previously in.
anyway, enough ranting for now, but i hope something in there's hit home.
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#28 Post by Roy Boy » Thu Sep 02, 2004 3:58 am

Mr. Canadian wrote:Come on guys. This guy is obviously trolling for a response.
lol! SO....who thinks Yngwie is the greatest guitarist EVER? (j/j) :lol:

Stirring the pot no doubt :wink: I think it's a bit funny not being able to talk about religion, but so many people call music their religion...and are JUST as passionate about it, for sure!

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#29 Post by 80s fan » Thu Sep 02, 2004 12:02 pm

ultrazone_seeker wrote:personally, i really get into A Perfect Circle, and if you're judging them based on the complete lack of shredding in their music, you have no idea how badly you've missed the point.
Ok? Maybe i see alot more feeling in bands that try hard and have good technique, because it realy shows how hard they work. Sorry if i dont like any of this new music were they just yell and dont actually play anything that is technically any good. No i dont think it is important to just have good technique, but whenever i hear a band like that , with hardly any technique, i dont see anything in it. So basicaly i like bands with tech because there is obvisouly alot more to them, than just noise.

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#30 Post by Plook » Thu Sep 02, 2004 12:33 pm

I remember checking out Perfect Circle because Josh Freese plays drums for them. I almost felt nausiated listening to that junk. I don't know about the guitar but Josh was playing some sweet drums with thick groove. Too bad the song over top of it was lame.

It reminds me of when Oasis was the big thing in the 90's. So hypnotic and lame.

80's was saying something about whiners singing. I can't agree more. So many of these new bands don't sing for crap. They whine.

My buddy got me to listen to a Smashing Pumpkins track called "Everlasting Gaze" so I could hear the distortion on the bass tone. I listened and I thought the song really grooved. Then disaster struck, Billy opened his mouth and WWAAAAAAHHHHHH. Barf. Way to ruin a song.

All the new stuff ain't bad though. Velvet Revolver is pretty sweet and so is the Darkness if you can handle the guy's voice.

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