I have to say, calling someone ignorant, insulting, disrespectful and being part of the graduate decline of artists, and calling their posts clueless, is rather disrespectful and insulting in itself. It's just someones opinion. It's not yours, obviously, and I don't agree either, but it's not more than that.
Your post is full of sophism. That you work in the music industry, and have knowledge of the music industry, doesn't mean you have any knowledge about piracy. I'd guess you have a very one-sided view on piracy.
I understand there's a lot of emotion in your post, but this is never a good way too win an argument.
I stand by everything I said, and I have a very intimate knowledge of piracy too, thanks very much. And I know first hand how damaging it can be to artists.
Have you ever released an album? Have you ever worked directly on the release and promotion of an album? Have you ever felt the sting of seeing an album you worked on listed on Torrent sites before it even hits the streets?
I'm not going to contribute to this thread any further, as I've said all I want to say. I'm reminded every time I get into a debate with someone online that it's an utterly futile exercise and a complete waste of time... and boy have I wasted a lot of time here already.
It is nice to see that this discussion has sparked some activity on this board though, which was becoming a bit of a ghost town.
I didn't say that your wrong, I said I think your post was insulting. It's all in the way you wrote it.
And no, I've never released an albem, nor worked directly on a release of one. And I most likely never will. I don't pretend to know how it feels when your album get's pirated before street date, but I assume it sucks big time.
I did read a lot about piracy though. I don't think it's a good thing, but I don't think the industry works well in it's present state either. The only good reason against piracy I ever read is the one you mentioned. The artist is not in charge of his own music anymore. All the other arguments, or facts, are just as argueable as the arguments and facts that are pro-piracy. And no, I don't base anything on anecdotal evidence on the internet.
I think a debate is only an utterly futile exercise when your only goal is to convince someone of your opinion. Personally I like to debate to hear opinions of others and to get a different angle on a matter.
"As someone who actually works in the music industry..." Mikey is an expert on this matter because he works in the music industry.
"because they read anecdotal evidence on the internet to support their already flawed perspective of the music business" Both statements are not fact.
"And if you really did know what you were talking about, you'd also know that even 20-30 years ago it wouldn't make anyone a billionaire either." Matwey can't answer this. If he does know what he's talking about, he has to agree with Mikey, or else he has to admit that he doesn't know what he's talking about.
"People who have attitudes like this are part of the gradual decline of artists being able to make any money at all with their art." Not all people with this attitude are part of this. It's also not the only reason causing the problem.
""...the disrespect you have for struggling artists who are simply trying to get paid for their work..." Appart from 1 sentence, Matwey didn't show any disrespect. Even that 1 sentence is debatable.
Thanks for the kind words, ocuj!
Thanks for the links! I'll check them out tomorrow and let you know. No need to thank me for the kind words, the music is really cool, so it's all meant.