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Posted: Tue Apr 01, 2008 11:59 am
by al
Shadap :)

Posted: Wed Apr 02, 2008 1:27 am
by Bryceybhoy
Instrumentalrockrocks wrote:
Not only the studio music he makes sounds a bit unsoulfull but also his live acts...

take SATRIANI LIVE!

Everytime he ends the song the ending part is about as long as the song itself... (and that over and over again) it is more than I can handle
If you compare it to Live in San Fransisco I think Satriani LIVE! doesn't even come close
Thank god somebody else noticed this. He's goes on, and on, and on. I just want the damn song to stop.

I love the guy, but he does my head in sometimes.

Posted: Wed Apr 02, 2008 3:48 am
by Big Bad Bill
Bryceybhoy wrote:Thank god somebody else noticed this. He's goes on, and on, and on. I just want the damn song to stop.
I love the guy, but he does my head in sometimes.
Its that damn whammy pedal and all the pinched harmonics.

Posted: Wed Apr 02, 2008 4:22 am
by Bryceybhoy
It's his bloody obsession with crowd interaction.
Just play the fucking songs!! We'll clap and cheer later!!!

Posted: Wed Apr 02, 2008 4:33 am
by <Mike>
I've listened to the full album now. It's not like it killed my ears but it's not good. I listened to it then switched to "The Extremist" cd and the diffrence in quality is... huge.

I still love Satch for the music he's done but the last few albums have been dissapointing. I think he should throw in the towel or work with an album several years instead of releasing one album every year.

Posted: Wed Apr 02, 2008 7:46 am
by Ricky Garcia
I mean this respectfully as I have a tremendoues respect for Satriani and he brought me to playing the guitar and sacrefice my life for a career as well.

The output of CDs is more about every 2 years a new release and also follows are certain circle of contractual and biz. obligations I am sure.

I order to be able to tour and keep a full crew busy you have to bring out product and as long as there are a certain amount of CDs and DVDs sold and ticktes purchased by an audience he will follow that path.

Artistically I would also prefer Joe to wait some years and work on something new a longer time as the latest Cds have been quite repetative to my taste as well.

Andy Timmons has done that and the result is sensational.. Resolution is the new bar in terms of instrumental trio.

Also it would be awesome to see Satriani sometimes in another band concept rather then solo all the time. If it was fiiting or not an album with Deep Purple would have been awesome!

Posted: Wed Apr 02, 2008 8:01 am
by Instrumentalrockrocks
Big Bad Bill wrote:Some very good points there, Instrumentalrockrocks. Perhaps a useful exercise would be to list the recent tracks that have been good and see if we can spot a thread amongst it.
The best recent tracks he made for me are:

ITLIS:
-GNAAH
-Is There Love in Space?
-If I Could Fly
-Searching
-Bamboo
Super Colossal:
-Just Like Lightnin'
-Redshift Riders
-One Robot's Dream

The worst tracks he made:
-It´s so good (that song is just pure uninspired)
-I just wanna rock (plain crap ((sorry joe but I want to make my point)))
-Super Colossal
-Lifestyle (bleeegh)
Bryceybhoy wrote:He's goes on, and on, and on. I just want the damn song to stop.
I love the guy, but he does my head in sometimes.
indeed... again I'd like to refer to Live in San Fransisco
His live style in 2000 was way better than it is nowadays
It was just playing the song and hit the notes the best you can and end it..
cmon it is instrumental rock after all so you got to keep in mind that your crowd wants some rest every now and then

Now he just goes on and on with the guitar playing

no wonder people can't get into his music recently
They think it just pure uninspired guitar playing and they think that mr Satriani is just another shred guitar virtuoso, well HE IS NOT! but c'mon Joe, show them!

it is just too much guitar and too much joe
it has to be balanced in some sort of way
...I mean take a look at his last guitars
I considered them to be a bit show-off... (still love you joe :wink: )
Playing on a guitar with your own face on it...
It's just an example of the way he 'does the job' these days

I still love him for what he did musically in his earlier years (1987 - 2000)

but I just hope that he takes a holiday for a few years... just relax and load his 'inspiration-reservoir' to were it used to be
(at the highest level)


Shred On :guitar

Posted: Wed Apr 02, 2008 8:02 am
by al
i even switched back to super colossal after listenin to it and the difference is stil pretty big,

the extrimist and soldano/marshall days were i find the best stuff from him

and he does do some extra long remditions on the live shit, i find myself fastforwarding some of the endings!

live in san francisco is one of the most amazing live performaces though, that shit is the bees knees

i dont like the bass or mix on the new cd and the gutiars are a lil muddy and fuzzy,


but i still love the album lol, see bbb i can bitch too :)

Posted: Wed Apr 02, 2008 9:43 am
by Big Bad Bill
brother al wrote: see bbb i can bitch too :)
Please don't think I'm just bitching, I'm discussing what I see as Satch's recent musical short comings.

As it happens, there is an in-depth interview with Satch in this months 'Guitar & Bass' magazine. Satch seems to be saying all the usual things an artist says when they have a new release, but I think he may have inadvertently to what might be his creative problem. It says-


'Satriani goes on to recall a time he played a new song to the band, one he was really excited by-but when he'd finished, no-one said a word. I said, " Do you guys realise what I've done? The melody goes over four different keys, and I've used two whole-tone scales to tie together the melodies!" They were looking at me like I'd really gone too far into musical geekdom. John [Cuniberti] said, "I hate to say this....but I don't think this song should be on the record." The musician part of me was crushed because I thought no one was ever going to hear this great, completely original and totally groundbreaking idea'

I wonder if Satch should think about getting in another co-producer or at least going with is own musical concepts rather than the bland stuff Cuniberti seems to prefer. Could it be these 'musical filters' are out of touch with what once made Satch great? If I could speak to Satch I'd say, do your four key change melodies and whole-tone scales because its these that once made your playing interesting.

Posted: Wed Apr 02, 2008 3:26 pm
by Stephen Brown
I purchased that mag/interview also.

Posted: Wed Apr 02, 2008 3:35 pm
by notavirtuoso
This is the first time in well over a decade I haven't bought one of Joe's new albums the day it came out. I listened to the clips and I'm just not going to do it. I hate his guitar tone anymore. It's almost as if he's recording direct with way too much compression added. I wish he would branch back out again. When Engines came out he was given a very hard way to go by the more mainstream segment of his fans and he seems to have crawled into a safety zone ever since. Only peeking out every once in a while.

Posted: Wed Apr 02, 2008 3:54 pm
by Stephen Brown
I feel a tad more respect is warranted myself.

Posted: Wed Apr 02, 2008 4:34 pm
by notavirtuoso
FRETPICK wrote:I feel a tad more respect is warranted myself.
I see what you mean, but the reason a lot of us are so disappointed isn't because we don't respect the man or his art, quite the opposite in fact. I hold Joe to a higher standard than anyone else out there, Steve included.

Perhaps because I hold him to such a high standard I haven't been completely satisfied with any of his releases since Live in San Francisco came out 7 years ago. Since then I've bought 3 new studio albums, 1 remastered re-release studio album, a "Best of" two disc set, 2 G3 DVDs and CDs, 1 solo live DVD and CD and a re-released studio DVD (Satch Tapes that I had on VHS already). If you total all those up (with double cds) you get 10 CDs and 4 DVDs. I think I've spent enough money and don't feel a need to buy anything else until he does something a lot different.

Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't ask Joe to make any kind of music other than what he wants. Being that he keeps putting out this stuff he must like it and you can't ask for more than that. And apparently a lot of his fans like it or they wouldn't keep buying it. It's just that what he wants to play isn't what I want to listen to. What's really frustrating to me is that while I hate most of the songs, I love most of the solos. It's like I have to eat tongue before I get the banana pudding.

I think when he's writing, he's thinking about playing live. I think he's planning the rhythm guitars on some songs to be simple so Galen can play them and/or to give his fingers a break between solos. I don't know. Whether he's doing that or bowing the masses or just going through the motions is really irrelevant to me. What matters to me is the end product and I'm just not digging it. I'll always love Joe and will always be hopeful when a new album is coming out, but I won't be buying them without a big change taking place.

Posted: Wed Apr 02, 2008 11:43 pm
by wasoota
Big Bad Bill wrote: I wonder if Satch should think about getting in another co-producer or at least going with is own musical concepts rather than the bland stuff Cuniberti seems to prefer. Could it be these 'musical filters' are out of touch with what once made Satch great? If I could speak to Satch I'd say, do your four key change melodies and whole-tone scales because its these that once made your playing interesting.
I think you're onto something, those were my thoughts as well. So many of these songs should either never have made the cut or could use some serious directing and/or refining (just listen to the failed hip-hop feel of Musterion. The drums are there, but everyone else seems plain scared to go with it).

Then, when everything is worked out, they should go back and re-record the rhythms under the lead. Right now the rhythm section sounds completely detached, almost like a backing track, and that makes the lead sound even more like he's just noodling, even when he may not be (what do I know).

I love the three ballads on this one, but there's not one up-tempo song on it I don't have serious reservations about.

Except Overdriver. I like Overdriver. :)

Posted: Thu Apr 03, 2008 6:59 am
by MikeB7070
In the end, if Joe is enjoying what he is writing and playing, then that's all that matters. I wish he would go in a different direction, but it's plain to see he enjoys writing in his current style, so I move on. I know it's not easy coming up with new "exciting" material, nor is it possible to duplicate a artistic statement, like Flying in a Blue Dream, so he puts out what he likes, which doesn't mean everyone will like it. My cd got some bad reviews when I released it, though some people got it, some didn't, some thought it was great, others scratched their head and reached for their Celine Dion CD, that's ok with me, and I'm sure some negative reactions are fine with Joe. Music is about the joy of playing and sharing, so if he finds joy in it, then more power to him.