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Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2007 7:05 am
by seljer
well the floral JEMs from around that time are also rear routed but with the (clear) pickguard

Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2007 8:43 am
by brentm
That is strange. The pickguard also doesn't look like it fits correctly. I wonder if this is just a frankenJEM and that the seller created an exotic story for....

There's really only a few people that could authenticate this guitar... and I'm sure they're busy on more important tasks.

Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2007 9:35 am
by leigh01
im not so sure on it being real because the back of the headstock appears to have no serial no, but as saying it's a prototype it may not have a serial no if it's real anyway.
tough call.

Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2007 11:42 am
by Mikey
I haven't had a chance to show Steve yet, but based on what's written, it looks to me to be authentic.

Aside from the letter from Mark Cimino, it shares many similarities with this guitar - including unusual rounding on the back edges of the upper and lower horns, and an atypical AANJ exactly the same as the ones shown in the pictures on the auction.

These characteristics aren't visible in the guitar gallery photo, but I did re-photgraph the guitar, and here's a closeup or two:

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The guitar does NOT have a stamped LACS headstock, but plenty of guitars in steve's arsenal do.

With all that said, I couldn't say what track on Sex & Religion it was used on, and Steve wouldn't remember. He usually defers to me for that kind of trivia...

Mikey
vai.com

Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2007 11:45 am
by BSBoy
Thanks for the info, Mikey :)

Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2007 12:46 pm
by miker
Thanks for the feedback Mikey.

I've been kind of leaning towards it being authentic, by the detail for the auction.

Pretty cool historical item then, possibly. Interesting peek as to how Steve works with Ibanez to approve new tweaks and changes to the Jem line of guitars. Never thought about it before... but the test guitars make a lot of sense.

Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2007 1:38 pm
by SPQR
miker wrote:I don't think so man... it's not my sale. I'm not gonna profit from it.

PROHIBITED TYPES OF CONTENT:
- Advertisements or links to live auctions, except for official Vai-related auctions or Vai.com charity auctions.

While this is not an official Vai-related auction... it does claim to be Vai-related. How else can Steve's peeps check it without a link? If it's copacetic... cool. If not and false claims are being made, they can have the auction pulled for false advertising. I've not see this guitar in the "Machines" section of Vai.com (did I miss it?)... though I'm sure it is not a complete roster of all the guitars Steve's had.

At least you've checked the forum rules though. :wink:
No worries bro sorry mis understood :lol:

Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2007 3:18 pm
by miker
No worries man. I've started threads like this on other auctions of this type (i.e., auctions making specific claims of being Vai-related) so I woulda been surprised if it got locked. Mikey is awesome about feeding back on this stuff (how does he find the time?).

While I am probably not going to bid on that guitar... I look at things like this as a cool opportunity to learn stuff.

Maybe they did look at moving the volume knob for Steve's long pinky finger, and after trying it... he preferred the original position? Could be...

From this one auction -- assuming it is authentic, probably is -- we get a good picture as to how Ibanez makes fine tuning tweaks to the Jem line... and also gain an understanding of how Ibanez presents these features to Steve for him to evaluate and choose from.

Cool stuff.

See like if someone decides to sell their guitar inventory and starts posting threads to links of stuff they are selling for their personal gain and they are using these forums like an advertising base... that's not allowed, that's not really too cool either. Not a valid use of the Vai-supplied forums. Go to a gear forum -- they got many that deal with people selling and swapping their equipment.

Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2007 3:43 pm
by miker
brentm wrote:There's really only a few people that could authenticate this guitar... and I'm sure they're busy on more important tasks.
Very, very true.

Still... we get their feedback!!! Just one of the many reasons I keep coming back to this forum. Got to appreciate the access we've got to behind the scenes stuff here... it is pretty special IMHO. I love this forum.

Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2007 4:28 pm
by brentm
Mikey wrote:
The guitar does NOT have a stamped LACS headstock, but plenty of guitars in steve's arsenal do.

With all that said, I couldn't say what track on Sex & Religion it was used on, and Steve wouldn't remember. He usually defers to me for that kind of trivia...

Mikey
vai.com
Mikey, can you tell if that serial number on the back of the headstock engraved or stamped? At first glance, it looked engraved, but I haven't seen an LACS serial number in the past that I can recall.

Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2007 5:25 pm
by Mikey
They usually are stamped right into the wood. In recent years, the LACS guitars have small silver stickers with the cat # in black.

Mikey
vai.com

Posted: Sat Jun 09, 2007 3:05 am
by resha
Mikey wrote:With all that said, I couldn't say what track on Sex & Religion it was used on, and Steve wouldn't remember. He usually defers to me for that kind of trivia...
:D You're the trusty man Mikey!

So Probably there's one more out there if those protos were 3?!

I'd love to know more about the Jem genesis :)

Posted: Sat Jun 09, 2007 3:41 pm
by resha
Ok I guess the trio is:

- the one the bay
- this one http://www.vai.com/Machines/guitarpages/guitar021.html
- this one http://www.vai.com/Machines/guitarpages/guitar058.html

...but with the one Mikey posted we come to a total of 4, so now the problem is "How many protos were actually made?"

And I can easily guess we'll never find out the exact number :)

Posted: Sat Jun 09, 2007 5:52 pm
by miker
Yeah... those are probably the alder and mahogany guitars, huh? Funny how the Alder one is so close to the final model... with the vine inlay and similar body routing (sans trem cavity).

Wonder if the back of the mahogany one is like the basswood one...

Posted: Sat Jun 09, 2007 5:52 pm
by Mikey
The photos I posted ARE of http://www.vai.com/Machines/guitarpages/guitar021.html

so there are only 3. I can't speak for guitar 58 though, but it could be the mahogony proto. Hard to say though. I don't remember seeing this one around.

Mikey
vai.com